guys,

I am so freaking green. sooo freaking green. I am just so disappointed in myself.

I don't know women at all. until a couple of weeks ago, I didn't know women want to be told they look beautiful. I thought they find it offensive. I didn't know women don't want to be fat.

I am so stupid that this text message that was posted here was very enlightening to me: general-questions/girl-ripped-sheds-ove ... 93576.html

I learned so much from this text message. I didn't know women want the guy to hold their hand. I didn't know women want to be called beautiful. I didn't know women want the guy to pull a move on them, I thought they find it offensive.

the best way I can tell you my mindset is look at the mindset of a feminist bitch. you know those feminist bitches who say it's rude to look at women in a sexual way, you should treat her with respect, etc etc? that's my mindset. I don't know why I have such a messed up mindset. perhaps it's because I grew up in an Islamic country. in my country the government is retarded. it's illegal to talk to a woman if you are not married to her. If a man is seen on the street talking to a girl, the police will come up to them and ask for a marriage certificate, I am not kidding. if you are not married, you have no business talking to her, it's harassment. some people there believe you cant look a woman in the eyes, you have to have some respect and look at the floor when talking to her. no wonder I cant make eye contact. women are also taught to be ashamed of their bodies. sex is a taboo subject. there is no way, no way that the topic of sex will be brought up in movies, newspapers, or anywhere else. sex just doesn't exist, it's that simple.

I don't know how to word my question. But it goes something like this: I need to learn how women think/what they want/what they want to be told. I need to know their fears, for example how they dont want to be fat. I need to know what to say when a woman gets a haircut and asks me if it looks nice. I think a woman's ultimate goal is to feel good. I need to know what makes them feel good.

Are you trolling?

The things that you learned about women are mostly wrong. Watch RSD?

If your not making a joke, you are as hard case as it gets and should take a boot camp

Read my sig thread again.

I understand you're fucked in the head. But look at the lay reports section. Girls like sex (in western culture anyway)

I don't get the feeling you've pushed yourself with this pick up stuff, have you? You just seem like this loner. I would +1 to pay someone so you can watch and emulate the skill or Least befriend some good guys.

"I didn't know women don't want to be fat" I really can't relate to you with statements like this. Women want to be overweight with Islamic culture? You're messed up

Continue with this mindset, you're gonna stagnate for sure"

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you are joking, right? I've seen you giving good advices....

And if you're not, yeah man, women like to feel beautiful, they dressed the way they do, not just for men, for women to, they want to make other women jealous, they want to feel special, they want to feel good about themselves. i had an ex that always told me that i didn't say that i love her as much as she'd wanted. so yeah, in that text, all that she said is true, but i mean, i'd never send her flowers to her office after the first date... there are some behaviours that came out needy so of course, you have to be mindful, and all of this applies if you're in a relationship of course.

Do you still live in an islamic state?

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Where are you geographically located, currently, bartm?

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A strong wing could tell you what's wrong pretty darned quick.

Thank you guys
RC and Charles: I am in Los Angeles and have been living there for a long time, but I don't know why my mentality is still not westernized.

Dragula, you are right, I haven't pushed myself enough.
by "I didn't know women don't want to be fat" I mean I don't know women at all, I don't know their fears, their insecurities, their vulnerabilities. I honestly didn't know a woman's worst fear is to be fat until a couple weeks ago. this has nothing to do with culture and country. of course women in any country dont want to be fat. but I just didn't know. Also I didn't know that they are jealous of other women. Us men have the "bro" code where we are not jealous of each other. women don't have that? I didnt know.
I don't know what makes them feel good. like the other day a woman told me she got a haircut and asked me how it looked. I am so stupid that I didn't know what to say. I don't know what it is that they are looking for in life.

The fact that you mention these things, is that you DO kind of know what women want. You're just desperately trying to find excuses for not taking action. That Is like me moaning to a gym forum saying:

'I just don't what my muscles need to grow, I don't know how to tear the muscle, i didn't I have to eat protein to repair/build muscle'

You are basically screaming for sympathy. The world is a nasty place and it doesn't have time for defeatist losers, get this in your skull. Earth will eat you alive if you let it.

I am telling you this right now, girls want dick, you know this because you see babies everywhere don't you? Basically, to make a baby, people have to have sex to make them. Which evidently means, male's and female's are....HAVING SEX. If you work hard on yourself, this might be you, HAVING SEX! You keep deflecting my virgin question but I think I kinda know the answer already.

I am going to keep it simple for you. If you don't do these things, then I am putting you in my black book of chodes:

Step 1) Create a thread 'Bartm progress journal' and read Models by Mark Manson (And use the bloody advice)

Step 2) Google some local forums to your location, also try this forum, there are usually links to your local 'lairs'

Step 3) Keep meeting these pick up guys and bond with them. Be respectful and boost their ego. These people are the key to your progress.

Step 4) Ask them to be brutally honest about you - Fundamentals, mindset, Fashion, grooming etc

Step 5) Approach a girl every now an then and gradually increase numbers

That's your lot so far,I will give you more steps when you have completed these 5. Please update your journal and give extensive detail around each of the steps.

If you can't even do this. Then you might as well give up, watch porn and shag hookers if you'e lucky.

If you do this, I will speak to you on SPAM to get an idea of how you carry yourself. What is going to be? I just don't get how someone who can be part of this forum not know that girls and boys have sex.

Come on man, grab your balls for fuck sake.

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you are right. I am just making excuses.
Thank you, Dragula. this is inspiring. I will do those 5 steps.
I dont see how it's relevant but yes, I am a virgin
well, for me the goal of PU is more than sex, it's about not being afraid of rejection and grabbing life by the balls (is that the right expression?) and being the man and being happy and all that. if I wanted just sex I could just pay. I think sex is a side effect of PU and not the goal.

I am guessing the reason you're here, is because your love life is what is making you unhappy. So at the least, you want to have a girlfriend or sex with a bunch of girls I will assume.

Send me a pic of yourself via PM - i want to see if there is anything you can do straight away, full body, clothes on (optional)

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yes, but also I want to be more successful in my professional life, get more clients, stop being afraid of approaching a potential client and hearing no. be ready to walk away when a client mistreats me. have a lot of money in the bank, do whatever I want. really pick up and sales are the same thing, you are just selling different things. but yeah, having an awesome sex life is another thing I am looking for.
If I send a pic can I blur out my face?

Why? I am trying to help you

I am not going to post it on puahate am i?

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I understand and appreciate that, but I don't feel comfortable sending my face pic. I don't know what you will do with it. You can convince me all you want, but at the end of the day I can't be sure. Please don't take this personally, obviously I don't know you so you can't take it personally.

Let's say pebble hates you tomorrow. What on earth could he do with a picture of your face? Post it everywhere? A photo without even a name? Your face pics are on Facebook with your name or on online dating profiles. Heck they are on networking sites. What could pebble do with a pic of your face that doesn't even link back to you unlike the hundred other pics of you or everyone else out there that is actually linked to something. These kinds of irrational fears is what's really gonna hold you back.