So, I talked to this girl over OKC, and it went well, I built comfort but she didn't respond for a while, I was talking to other girls too and she has a busy work life. I pinged her, got her #, sent her a funny text, no response. Then I texted her on OKC letting her know and it got the ball rolling and we had a great convo:

Me: Yo, it's TheNatural. Changed phone service. Would you happen to have seen *Her Name*?
Her: Nope, haven't heard of her. She sounds like a weirdo, this 'X'
Me: She's into broadway, witty and nothing but trouble, ha
Her: She's probably a handful, to be honest
Me: Well she hasn't met me yet, girl. I'm a Rockstar and have a voice like Fergie & Enrique Iglesias
Her: Wow! That's quite the mix. I think you should ditch this Mollie chick and hang out with me.
Me: True; she don't even spell her name with a Y (she spells it uniquely)! I'm high maintenance, please tell me you're rich and a great cook, like Rachel Ray, good.
Her: Well now, hey. No need to go about insulting the spelling of her name. It's unique.
Me: Looks like you blew your cover. Hello, X! Ha
Her: Dangit! I was doing so good.
Her: Hello, TheNatural
Me:Enchantè So, what are you up to aside from trouble Her:
Me: I'm currently making plans to celebrate my projects good news! Her: Just finishing up my laundry. Super exciting stuff!
Her: What good news ??
Me: We got a spot to be on TV - local cable show. It's humbling. A lot is happening but in small increments
Me: What kind of art are you into (it relates to my project)
Her: That's awesome!
Her: I'm mostly into Broadway music, all kinds. But outside of Bway, I really like rock mostly
Me: *My project is related to that, here's out site, tell me what you think*
Me: *art* is one of my passions. There's nothing like being on stage! Btw, are you a transplant or native
Her: I agree completely! I miss performing more than absolutely anything.

I'm a transplant, unfortunately. I'm originally from Orlando, Florida. I've lived here for about six years now.
Me: I ask cause you have more of a Cali/San Fran vibe. All about the vibes, man *Peace emoji*
Me: I'm a bit of an adrenaline junkie, and there's really nothing like it. Not many people know what I mean. I personally enjoy making people happy and entertaining them; what do you miss about it
Her: I've actually been told that before lol. The San Fran Vibe
Her: I am too. An adrenaline junkie I mean. Sometimes it leads to fun, sometimes it leads to danger, but I still love it.
I miss the whole feeling of being onstage in front of people, making them laugh or cry, I miss singing for people, I miss telling stories and playing characters
Me: Not knowing what will happen is half the fun! It's all about trusting your instincts. Like, when you know there's nothing in the fridge but still look anyway *laughing emoji*
Me: Jokes aside, I can talk about that forever. This is an interesting convo. It's fun chatting with you. I'm going out to celebrate this week, why don't you join me; I know this great view of the skyline I'm going to
Her: Very true! Except mine usually leads me to things like going into Central Park after hours to do *things* with another person and getting caught. Oops? (She goes sexual)
Her: Where?
Me: We can meet at X Pub and see where the night takes us; way more adventurous than central park, ha (I avoid going to sexual, too fast, plenty of time to do that in person, yet I allude to it)
Her: That sounds lovely
Me: Cool, how's Weds at 8:30pm?
Her: I'm actually working 12-5 and 6:30-11 on Wednesday (sent at 12:03)
Me: Np, when's a better day for you (sent at 12:13)

At this point, no response.

As you can see we got along great, I think I did a good job, it just she didn't respond at the most important time! (Maybe she had to be up early for work). Do you think she is hot or cold? What should I do?

You're focusing too much on "gaming" and too little on actually building a connection. This conversation was 90% you qualifying yourself, qualifying her, or her semi-qualifying herself to you.

There's no teasing, no playful "insults" or backhanded compliments, nothing to really ignite a spark.

The only thing keeping that conversation flowing was your mutual passion for art. Ofcourse you always want to have an overlapping demographic with her, and while that will make the time you spend together exponentially more enjoyable, having a common interest will rarely be enough to create that strong attraction you're looking for.

What I'm saying is that in this case she was moreso interested in the topic of conversation, not in who she was having the conversation with.

Either way, let her respond to your text and if she doesn't talk to her again in a couple of days. But be more engaging this time around.

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What RC said...

Also to add. It might be seem like you're doing well, she is responding. Buts she doesn't ask what you're into. No questions. Only replies to you. She never sends you "how are you? X" texts. The convo is basically you getting to know her only. Its bad when this happens and I usually stop responding when I sense she is a time waster.

Her lack of response at the end confirms she is one of these girls.

To combat it, you really don't wanna waste another second on these girls and find the better leads. I really don't think there is any point in negging or trying to turn it around. It's an uphill swim.

It's the same with "offline dating" - ever had those pleasant conversations that don't lead anywher?. She will even respond to the texts but she won't meet up with you when it comes to the crunch?

Being good at game isn't all about getting all the girls. It's about finding the good leads and being efficient with time. I have a talent for spotting these girls. Even before I've even messaged her. Whether it be pics, profile, what she is wearing, sub communications behind her words etc.

I have a bunch of (some smoking hot) girls in my tinder that responded to my 1st message, but her response and pics tell me that another message from myself will be a waste of my valuable time that I can be using on sexually available girls.

Find the good leads (filter filter filter) . Find the sexually available gals.Good luck.

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Thanks for your response guys. Awesome stuff. A lot of me qualifying her, happened in the original OKC convo, but it didn't go anywhere until I just went for her number. I tend to not go too far with back handed compliments because the way I do it is aggressive, sometimes I literally destroy the girl, it works better in person. As for being sexual, I don't go too far into that because I can ways do it in person and set that vibe, doing it so fast in text may come off odd in my experiences.

RC "You're focusing too much on "gaming" and too little on actually building a connection. This conversation was 90% you qualifying yourself, qualifying her, or her semi-qualifying herself to you. There's no teasing, no playful "insults" or backhanded compliments, nothing to really ignite a spark



I loved this comment. It serioisly peaked my interest and I think it has everything my game lacks and can use. Because it deals with heavy attraction. How can I build a connection? Is there anything wrong with qualifying her? How did I qualify myself? You mentioned teasing, playful insults, and backhanded compliments. The reason this is out of my game is because my version of it is better in person but I don't think I'm doing it properly. I'd really would like to learn these 3 things the proper way once and for all. Can you show me an example of how to implement all 3/what they would look like.

How can you destroy a girl with a backhanded compliment?
"Jesus Christ are you always such a princess?"
I like my girls to have a hint of that "princessy" attitude. So I'm ripping at her for something I actually enjoy. Backhanded compliment.

Also don't be afraid of being sexual. Going for a run won't suddenly turn you into an Olympic sprinter. Point is you don't have to be full caveman about it. Innuendos work, half serious half joking statements work. Tread lightly if you want, but please, tread.

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The thing with qualifying her is that if she doesn't feel like she's earned it, or that it comes from someone of higher value than her, she'll perceive it as ass-kissing. Which is pretty much exactly accurate.
This is you qualifying yourself.

On the other hand, if you say: "I have a friend that's constantly sending me indie-rock songs. Makes me wanna knife myself" and she replies with "I know right? I honestly don't get that gender" - that's her qualifying herself to you.
So let her do the qualifying unless you genuinely admire something about her.

You build a connection by not playing it safe. You have to flirt. And flirting by nature is quote on quote "risky" and chaotic. I say quote on quote because playing it safe is the highest risk of them all.
There's no universal "proper" way of doing it. Teasing, mild insults and backhanded compliments are pretty much the same thing, except the differ a bit in intentions. Either way they're my personal favorites simply because they fit my personality and I find them the most enjoyable.

Your "proper" way is the one that fits you. But to find it you have to experiment around.

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This whole text is try hard, qualifying yourself, not comming accross as lover, begging for a meet, just bad...

anyways, in your case the community text to meet would be a better option for now...

if you want long text style follow this structure:

the-skills-secrets-to-text-game-vt138170.html

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Guys, enjoyed your critique and I'll comment on it in a moment. She just texted me back, which I perceive as a good thing. Her: "Sorry, I crashed. I may have plans Thursday, but if not, I only have an appointment from 4-5 on the Upper East Side. On Friday, I'm free until about 7."

I'm thinking of going with Thurs but Thurs has an option to flake. "Apt? Sounds serious; you're not in the mafia are you? I'm booked Fri, but I could do Thurs or Sat at 8; Sat is easier. How's that" (offering two days). How's that for a light tease? I think my msg sounds accurate from what I'm learning from you awesome people.

I got bored reading that...

when are you going to actually suggest the girl meets up with you...? Or did you like, forget you wanted to fuck the girl and just kept on textin...?

Stop doing this whole trying to "game" the girl. Especially through the phone. It leads to nowhere.

Yah me too, I didn't even read the whole thing. Just ended up skipping to the bottom where you go for it.

For me personally, there's just too much texting and back and forth going on. You'll just end up in the friend zone like this.

Work on your confidence. I can tell you may not have full confidence in yourself because you posted this at the crunch, where you are waiting for her to reply.

All you had to do is wait. She either keeps making excuses as to why she can't meet, or she goes on a date with you.

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Skills and RC made some great points that I'll comment on soon. Most importantly, I sent the latter text to the girl, letting her know when I'm free and we'll see how it goes. And I will update you guys.

Rampage, do you have any methods you use for *logistics, teasing, attraction stuff that I can read

I don't have any 'methods' as such. My method is to be 'that guy' that women want to be with, and for you to be that guy you have to love yourself, as corny as that sounds. You literally have to love yourself. Love who you are. Then you will be a guy that women are attracted to. If you do this and combine going out and actively looking for pussy you'll be hitting home runs. There's obviously more to it then this, but this is the most important stepping stone to becoming a PIMP.

The 'methods' I'm into are how to love yourself.

I am currently working on material to put out that encompasses this.

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I'd be glad to read it. One thing l'll go into more detail on here in my mag to skills/RC is I'd rather know everything myself. That's really my journey and mission - instead of making post on here. That way I can turn it around like you and help people. I think my male to female frame can be better ad skills said and my logistics too. Amy links on this would be appreciated. I'm definitely studying RC'S stuff. It's getting genius