Ok so I've been out with a couple girls recently, this is gonna apply to one alot more than the other, but will help with the other when the time comes.
I went to a party not so long ago got talking to a girl sort of in my social circle and her friend, made them both laugh, ran a bit of game and got them both to like me. The one I clicked with most started messaging me and we got talking. Long story short we''ve been out alone together a few times now and I'm sure she's into me (we go out just the 2 of us, she's changed plans to see me, she gets super flirty over messages talking about sexual experiences, she's sent suggestive pictures (in an innocent way) etc.)

Except when I see her in person she gives me virtually nothing. We have good convosation and turning it sexual is fine but she will avoid eye contact, lean away when I sit close and doesn't seem too comfortable with kino.

How do I get the kiss as I feel I'm running out of time with this one (tomorrow will be the 4th time we've been out together alone) and I want to make sure I know what I'm doing with the other girl who is simlar when we're out together.

Whenever you stop being so shy and actually kiss her.

Yeah, I figured I should just man the fuck up and go for it. I had nothing to lose at all. Escalation is definately my biggest sticking point and something I need to work on.
I just put my hand under her chin and turned her head so she was facing me and went for it, it seems to have been well received and things are looking good.

Lesson learnt: stop being a pussy. Work on escalation.

Don't really see it as stop being such a pussy. You've just gotta understand that your shyness is making her shy. I fucked a shy girl with a purity ring on (that she actually pointed out to me) just because I wasn't shy... she lost her shyness too.

Girls love to be loved.

It's a kiss dude. It's not that big of a deal. There's nothing to "man the fuck up about". If she's agreeing to 1on1 with you she's interested.

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First of all you have to set a higher goal.

If all you want out of her is a kiss, that will become your struggle, and that will become the thing you are chasing. Had you been asking " how do I get this girl back to my place on the next date" you would've probably already kissed her because the what you want is beyond a simple kiss.

Men have to understand that there are a lot more sensual ways to connect with a woman intimately than a kiss. I believe thats what its about. Its like "getting a kiss" sets some marker in our mind so we can feel good about ourselves. But what is it a kiss really? But two pieces of skin rubbing against one another. There's several women who i've slept with and gotten blow jobs from that I would never kiss in the mouth. I just don't get down like that with women I'm not romantically interested in.

So is kissing what you want or are you actually trying to get laid?

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Thanks Eddie, this is so true! As soon as I'd kissed her a couple times and got comfortable with it I realised how silly I'd been, because now I wanted to get her into bed. She's amped up how much she's been flirting back with me since that though so it's on for the next time I see her.

I definitely put too much pressure on the kiss, not looking at the bigger picture. I need to focus on the end goal rather than the escalation needed to get there to get over this sticking point I think.