Lol if it doesn't make you any more masculine, why don't you give it a shot then?

I think its really funny that you say you're too busy with your education to learn something. How ironic? That's modern day society for you. Comfort and security. The blind leading the blind.

People who play it safe rarely accomplish anything great... keep that in mind.

Lol thanks for the advice but I'm not one of your clients. I'm working on other shit and making up for lost time/money. I'll do me.

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If you've been living with your mom for over 25 years, and you only option if you move out is to live on the streets, wtf have you been doing? If you were at least handling your shit from the age of 18 and still living with your parents to save up, you should have enough right now to move out and get an ok place and live comfortably on your own for a while. It's not about getting laid; its about being able to take care of yourself. It's about coming home to a place and things YOU worked for, not a house your parents worked for. It's about getting used to being master of your situation, not a child.

And moving out is nothing to brag about. But by that same token, living at home, as a man, past a certain age is something to be ashamed of. It's less than what you should be doing. Don't diminish the hard work that other's have to do to survive. Thats like me saying getting a degree is nothing to brag about when I'm not doing it. Living under your parents roof past the age of 18, heck, all the way to MID TWENTIES, is something that needs to stop. It's the same as people who abuse welfare and leech off the system. Both are not able to take care of themselves and can live only thanks to others, not themselves. If whatever you pay your mom is not what you can pay a landlord or a grocery store for the same shit you use, then you're mom is paying for you.

THis isn't to you JD, just shocked and saddened to hear men think that this is ok. I've run across men and women studying for masters, PHD's, living thousands of miles away from their parents and doing just fine. Working odd jobs to pay the rent, and using that drive to excel in all areas. And then I look at the 2 men who I know who live at home at that age,(oddly enough 1 met through PU) and that drive is missing. So they tell me they have to repeat a class next year and school is taking longer because they didn't study hard enough..meanwhile the guy on his own is acing shit because he knows mom and dad aint there to pay for another semester if he fails. To you, the OP and any man who lives at home, if you're serious about growing up, move out and work. Not to get laid, not to be manly, to really experience what life is. If you plan to live at home forever, thats fine, you'll never have to face anything serious. But if you eventually will move out, make it sooner, because the money you save up isn't going to matter when you're just learning how to be on your own. I wont push it, its something you see the importance of once you've lived on your own.

Not sure why you being so defensive JD. I don't care why you're living with your parents at 26 but you can't sell it as being "just fine". It's not.
Good for you if you're making it work but if you think it's better than being independent, that's just bullshit.

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I will admit back when I was 21-26 I didn't care about moving out. I didn't see a need, I didn't feel the need to have a girlfriend although I wanted one but with my health issues I didn't want to put pressure on myself. When I met this one girl arouns 27, I realised how much happier I felt and then thought about the things I should be doing. I got a car around 29 and started working more. Where I am from it is a bit different as many of my friends have good jobs and some of them have only just moved out. I realised as I got older it's holding me back. I feel it's pointless to even talk to girls at the moment.

Well, it's good job you have realised this soon than later. So...What is the plan of action? You have suggestions...

1) Identify depression (girls)
2) Decide to give your life some purpose and tackle the main thing that is making you depressed which is your love life
3) To obtain girls, parents house is off limits so you will have to move out, you can move out within a month and also upgrade your wardrobe whilst you are at it
4) Learn some game and approaching these girls and then seducing them in your new crib

Or

You can give up because you're intimidated at taking big action due to wank bubble syndrome. What are these health problems by the way? Too personaL to reveal? How convenient..They don't seem to prevent you from working. Just with approaching women it seems, very curious...

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lol why the face palm? I'm just trying to show the OP that he is making his situation worse off than it needs to be and there are several options for dating women while he still lives at home. 1. hotels 2.reframe situation 3. stop making excuses and get your shit together.

I've lived on my own since 18 and its HUGE for self confidence in dating girls. but its not the magic bullet by any means, and I've closed on girls in cities where i did not live via hotels, getting creative etc. and like i said i do know someone who lives at home and still gets action, he has to take care of his freakin dying mother for christ sakes. everybody has their own situations, PUA should be about adapting to those situations and bouncing ideas for gaming in unideal situations.


but yes, like everyone else said, at 32 get your damn shit together and move out on your own already. that should be goal # 1 in life, you can still try to game girls on the side but moving out should be top priority.

A sick mother routine in order to get laid is probably one of the worst ideas I've heard in a very long time, especially since you are saying get his mother to play along. I'm normally okay with manipulating the situation to speed seduction up, but this is a blatant lie. Much different than a reframe.

Maybe he can also get his mom to give up the big bedroom when he brings a girl over. If she's going to be his wing, she might well go 100% into the routine.

I guess for the lazy person and people that don't have much going for themselves PUA is adapting to these kinds of situations. Men who have their shit in order don't have to adapt. In fact, PUA becomes being attractive enough to women it'll make them want to adapt to me.

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fair enough, i wasn't insinuating he should fake a sick mother lol that was just a bad joke. i was just using my friends actual situation as an example. but yea faking the funk is definately worse than anything else.


here on these forums most of these guys asking for help are just in unideal situations. when PUA was out years back it was all about taking these totally nerdy, loser guys and turning them into PUA. not taking guys who already had their shit together out and refining their techniques. the OP here clearly has issues in his life that he needs to fix and focus on FIRST over gaming, but thats not to say that all gaming goes out the window.


but i totally hear you on the last part because once you have your shit together and in order, there isn't much need to adapt to anything.

OP: i really dont understand what is so hard about getting a hotel in the meantime, or finding a small studio or 1bedroom somewhere. you maybe need 3-5k tops to do a nice complete move out from security deposit to new couches and a nice bed TV, etc…..how hard is it to make 5 grand WHEN YOU LIVE AT HOME!?!?!?!? YOUR NOT PAYING RENT YOU SHOULD BE SAVING? i know guys who barely make 2k a month yet they have their own place, something isn't adding up here. your 32 and dont have any savings??

He has stated that he has mountains of money. He then transpires 5 posts into the thread that he has health problems.

But we all know the truth. He is just comfortable at home and has approach anxiety.

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I'm technically below (very slightly) the average age to move out where I'm from. It's not like I'm 35 lol. I'm happy to live at home at the moment while I focus on other areas of my life - if you prioritise one thing, another obviously takes a back seat for a while. Granted it should all be sorted by now, but it's not because the old me didn't give a fuck about himself - which eventually changed and I landed here. So what?

Neo saying that thing about how it's something to be ashamed of, I disagree. I was more ashamed of having no qualifications or money and being in horrible shape which is why I've worked (and still am working) on fixing those things, and I'm doing quite a good job of it apart from a little slacking with working out. When those things are sorted, is when I'll be looking to move out.

But yea I don't want to take over this thread... I just strongly disagree with there being something hugely wrong with not wanting to move out at 18 lol.

However, OP.. I don't know your reason for not moving out, but it does sound like you should do something about it quite urgently if I'm honest. In the meantime, instead of lying why don't you just change it to "my Mom lives with me at the moment" instead of "I live at home at the moment"? It's better than nothing.

Edit: No I don't think it's BETTER to live at home than to move out. Of course it's not. Just like it's not BETTER to get a degree at 40 rather than 20... it might be more sensible, but it's not better. Everything has pros and cons, but it's flat out ridiculous to be approaching your mid 30s and still be living at home with no plans of changing that. I don't want to keep justifying myself, but I want to make it clear that I'm not some bum who doesn't have the guts to leave. I have plans and goals that I'm working towards, and I'm doing alright, considering how long it actually took me to take any action.

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I do think people are right when they say you need to risk things. I can say the same about myself. My situation is or appears to be completely fucked up but probably people would crack down on me even harder than on you, and rightly so.

There is two things you need to do:

- be open and fair with the girl
- then be open and fair with everyone.

The shame will prompt you to change things.

This. Go to a personal finance/career forum, go to a community college, career center, financial adviser, then come back here when you've got your own place(or don't if the living arrangement is the only thing holding you back). You don't HAVE to be incel because you're living with your parents, but you should.

Why?

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Please let this die. You haven't experienced both sides of the coin to make your opinion sustainable. Ironically, it's the people that stay at home that seem to think it's the way to go. The OP (The person that this thread is about) is having problems with getting laid due to this hinderance that you're supporting.

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