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PostPosted: Mon Apr 24, 2017 9:12 pm 
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NO.

Do not fucking add her on social. That is such a bitch move when she gave you her phone number.

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This entire approach was high probability for a flake. Two minute conversations will rarely lead to meeting unless you've done something significant. What did you do besides ask for her phone number and call her pretty that would make her want to meet/go out with you? I'm not saying it was a bad approach, it just wasn't enough. Women can find you attractive, but that doesn't mean it will make her want to meet up. You didn't give yourself time to connect during the approach. Since you didn't connect during the approach, there was no incentive for her to take things further and invest time into the guy she just randomly met.

You have to learn how to use your attraction to make her want to give you her phone number. She should want to give you her phone number because she wants to go out with you.

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Even if she wanted to hook up, like I said and Jack says now, you didn't give her enough reason.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 25, 2017 10:35 am 
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I imagine asking a very specific question in a car forum for example:

How do I achieve a better 0-60 in my new car?

Arch's response: Try shifting at 6,000 rpm.

R.C's response: You have to learn how to shift for a better 0-60.

Jack's response: You can't achieve a better 0-60 unless you know how to do it.

Or a body builing forum:

How do I gain some muscle in a short time?

Arch: Eat protein and lift.

R.C: You can't just build muscle, you have to learn what to eat and what to do to gain muscle.

Jack: You need to learn how to gain muscle.

I'm not saying who's wrong or right, but when someone asks a very specific question they're expecting a specific answer, regardless of the situation.

If I have a headache and ask a friend how to relieve it I want to hear something like: Take a pill. Now the pill may or may not help, but that's the specific answer. Not something like: Well, you should not have stayed up for 2 days without eating... or something like: You have to learn how a headache happens. (Those are valid responses and will help in the future, but won't really help with the headache right now!)

Sometimes the short and spot on answer works best for a given situation, and sometimes it doesn't.

While I agree it's best to learn the fundamentals and basics, this thread was about dealing with this particular situation and not about learning the best approach with women in general.

Thank you all for posting under this, and I will continue to learn from all 3 of you gentlemen.


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I imagine asking a very specific question in a car forum for example:

How do I achieve a better 0-60 in my new car?

Arch's response: Try shifting at 6,000 rpm.

R.C's response: You have to learn how to shift for a better 0-60.

Jack's response: You can't achieve a better 0-60 unless you know how to do it.

Or a body builing forum:

How do I gain some muscle in a short time?

Arch: Eat protein and lift.

R.C: You can't just build muscle, you have to learn what to eat and what to do to gain muscle.

Jack: You need to learn how to gain muscle.

I'm not saying who's wrong or right, but when someone asks a very specific question they're expecting a specific answer, regardless of the situation.

If I have a headache and ask a friend how to relieve it I want to hear something like: Take a pill. Now the pill may or may not help, but that's the specific answer. Not something like: Well, you should not have stayed up for 2 days without eating... or something like: You have to learn how a headache happens. (Those are valid responses and will help in the future, but won't really help with the headache right now!)

Sometimes the short and spot on answer works best for a given situation, and sometimes it doesn't.

While I agree it's best to learn the fundamentals and basics, this thread was about dealing with this particular situation and not about learning the best approach with women in general.

Thank you all for posting under this, and I will continue to learn from all 3 of you gentlemen.
If you're looking for analogies, then at the car dealership Arch is telling you this:

"She's in the dealership. Obviously wants a car. So proceed as follows
- Hi.
- What's your name?
- Here's the car, here's the price, buy it now.
"
Most guys have a tendency of overdoing it but underdoing it doesn't yield much better results either.

Anyway, pickup is very rarely about handling one particular woman just like poker is very rarely about handling one particular hand.
You're not a good player unless you consistently win. You will lose hands due to bad luck. And sometimes you'll win even if you made a bad play. But as long as you have a fundamental understanding of the game, at the end of the day you will always be on the winning side and will never find yourself scrambling for money.

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I imagine asking a very specific question in a car forum for example:

How do I achieve a better 0-60 in my new car?

Arch's response: Try shifting at 6,000 rpm.

R.C's response: You have to learn how to shift for a better 0-60.

Jack's response: You can't achieve a better 0-60 unless you know how to do it.

Or a body builing forum:

How do I gain some muscle in a short time?

Arch: Eat protein and lift.

R.C: You can't just build muscle, you have to learn what to eat and what to do to gain muscle.

Jack: You need to learn how to gain muscle.

I'm not saying who's wrong or right, but when someone asks a very specific question they're expecting a specific answer, regardless of the situation.
Specificity is important and in most cases signifies authenticity of that person and their experiences.

I wouldn't take advice from anyone who doesn't personalize chunks of their advice. The best PUA speakers/writers lace their advice with specificity and anecdotes....because it's what happens when you actually live what you're describing.

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I imagine asking a very specific question in a car forum for example:

How do I achieve a better 0-60 in my new car?

Arch's response: Try shifting at 6,000 rpm.

R.C's response: You have to learn how to shift for a better 0-60.

Jack's response: You can't achieve a better 0-60 unless you know how to do it.

Or a body builing forum:

How do I gain some muscle in a short time?

Arch: Eat protein and lift.

R.C: You can't just build muscle, you have to learn what to eat and what to do to gain muscle.

Jack: You need to learn how to gain muscle.

I'm not saying who's wrong or right, but when someone asks a very specific question they're expecting a specific answer, regardless of the situation.

If I have a headache and ask a friend how to relieve it I want to hear something like: Take a pill. Now the pill may or may not help, but that's the specific answer. Not something like: Well, you should not have stayed up for 2 days without eating... or something like: You have to learn how a headache happens. (Those are valid responses and will help in the future, but won't really help with the headache right now!)

Sometimes the short and spot on answer works best for a given situation, and sometimes it doesn't.

While I agree it's best to learn the fundamentals and basics, this thread was about dealing with this particular situation and not about learning the best approach with women in general.

Thank you all for posting under this, and I will continue to learn from all 3 of you gentlemen.
I'll clear up my advice on this. You didn't do anything to make this girl want to go out with you. You didn't spend enough time with her and building a connection. Then you tried to get her to meet up with you and she flaked. Because you didn't lay the foundation correctly, don't expect to be able to fix it after the fact when you're not in her presence. Stop thinking about how to fix this because you're wasting time.

My advice was given because I know where you went wrong and the next time you're in this situation, you'll know what you need to do to keep that from happening again. I can't tell you how to get from 0-60 after you crashed the car. I couldn't tell you how to build muscle quickly after you tore a ligament.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 25, 2017 3:45 pm 
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So, I called her last night around 9:00 pm. I was gonna try and flirt on the phone a bit (I'm actually pretty good at that, but not over text) No answer.

Just now, around 9:00 am the next morning she texted: Hey I saw you called me, what's up.

What should I do? It seems to me she hasn't completely lost interest.


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How do I achieve a good 0-60?

ACCELERATE

How do I get rid of a headache?

RELIEVE THE PAIN


Thank you! Problem solved! Can you be more specific? What should I text her to get it going? (Especially since I'm only good at flirting on the phone, not text)


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Just now, around 9:00 am the next morning she texted: Hey I saw you called me, what's up.
Personally, this doesn't seem like interest. It seems it may be more like she's feeling obligated to respond. If she saw that you called, she saw last night. R.C is correct in saying that you should flirt. A good response would be working off when she said she didn't know you and you said that you wanted to change that. "I said I wanted to change the fact that you don't know me." If she responds positively (or as positive as you can tell from that), work from there.

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Just now, around 9:00 am the next morning she texted: Hey I saw you called me, what's up.
Personally, this doesn't seem like interest. It seems it may be more like she's feeling obligated to respond. If she saw that you called, she saw last night. R.C is correct in saying that you should flirt. A good response would be working off when she said she didn't know you and you said that you wanted to change that. "I said I wanted to change the fact that you don't know me." If she responds positively (or as positive as you can tell from that), work from there.
She obviously liked my " I want to change that" because she giggled and gave me her number.

Now while it might have helped a lot to continue flirting with her then, I did not do it.

You are telling me what I could have done, not what I can or should do now to escalate.

How do I get rid of my headache?

Jack: You should have eaten and rested.

Well is there anything I can do right now to help with my headache?

Jack: well, you could have...

Come on guys I don't have a time machine.

The fact that she responded means I have a chance. She doesn't owe me anything to feel obligated to respond to my text or calls.

Give me specific advice about the PRESENT not what I should have done last week!


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Just now, around 9:00 am the next morning she texted: Hey I saw you called me, what's up.
Personally, this doesn't seem like interest. It seems it may be more like she's feeling obligated to respond. If she saw that you called, she saw last night. R.C is correct in saying that you should flirt. A good response would be working off when she said she didn't know you and you said that you wanted to change that. "I said I wanted to change the fact that you don't know me." If she responds positively (or as positive as you can tell from that), work from there.
She obviously liked my " I want to change that" because she giggled and gave me her number.

Now while it might have helped a lot to continue flirting with her then, I did not do it.

You are telling me what I could have done, not what I can or should do now to escalate.

How do I get rid of my headache?

Jack: You should have eaten and rested.

Well is there anything I can do right now to help with my headache?

Jack: well, you could have...

Come on guys I don't have a time machine.

The fact that she responded means I have a chance. She doesn't owe me anything to feel obligated to respond to my text or calls.

Give me specific advice about the PRESENT not what I should have done last week!
Come on man! I just told you what you could say in the PRESENT to piggyback off the original flirting. I'm not telling you what you said. She asked "What's up?". I gave you a response. I'm just trying to keep you from banking on winning a girl that may not be too interested.

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I'm pretty certain he told you what you should text her NOW, and was not referring to what you could have done.

Also OP, flirting is a basic skill. A skill you're trying to perfect. Instead of having us spoon feed you, why don't you come up with ideas and run them by us?
Jack's text suggestion is not rocket science. You could easily have come up with that on your own.
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She doesn't owe me anything to feel obligated to respond to my text or calls.
You'd be surprised about the extent women will go to in an attempt to soften a blow to a guys ego. It doesn't always make sense and it often ends up in the guy interpreting it as still having a chance.

Either way, there's only one way to find out whether or not that's true.

@Edit: Damn, beat me to it.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 25, 2017 8:42 pm 
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Ok sorry, I get it now. I'm not sure if she remembers what I told her to get the number.

What do you guys think about something like: I was watching this movie and it reminded me of you...

And then see how she responds if she does?

Or do you guys have better suggestions i could use?

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