OK, I want to pick the brains of my fellow UK posters.

I think that most pickup material (especially night game) seems to be very geared towards US people.
I think that some specific things like the way most people advise to open, doesn't really transfer very well.

For example, lots of pickup literature advises to introduce yourself at night game like ''Hey, I'm Brian! nice to meet you!'' and then shake their hand kind of thing.

But I think the cultural difference between the US and the UK makes that sort of open make you look a bit weird/formal/old fashioned? I've had nothing but rejection with that sort of open. A kind of 'why are you talking to me?!'' or ''Errr...this is weird'' kind of reaction.

I also opened a girl in that way in front of a friend once and he kind of laughed and said he thought it was a bit weird which kind of confirmed my thoughts!

It's a cultural difference which is rarely spoken about, but i'm sure it exists and i'm not imagining it!

In fact, after googling I HAVE found some posts/articles which backed up what i'm saying above.

There was an interesting thread by a british guy on simplepickup forum about it, and I also read an interesting article from one of the LOVESYSTEMS coaches who also noted the differences and about how you'd need to adapt some things for Brit girls who are more 'on guard' when being approached by strangers

However, both examples didn't really go into a great deal of detail.

I only get the occasional positive reaction if I open in a 'silly' way that could maybe make her laugh, or if I am able to find a good observational opener.

How do you guys typically open a girl in a bar? Do you have a standard opener? Do you improvise with something situational each time?


The other thing I wanted to touch on is just basic conversation in the early stages.

If you watch US pickup vids, after teh open, it's always conversation about where they are from, I guess because America is very big and you often meet people from different parts of the country in certain cities where vids are being filmed, and that seems to take up a good few minutes allowing you to build rapport etc.

But someone like me, living in a small town in teh South East of England where every girl I speak too live heres and was probably born here, I can't copy the 'pickup vids' formula and ask ''where are you from''/''you look like you're from xxx area'' kind of thing.

I tend to always ask ''who are you here with?'', ''where are you going later on?'', ''whats your name'', and maybe make an assumption about what their job might be. I tend to run out of ideas/statements soon after that! (assuming I get that far and haven't been rejected straight away)

One part of me thinks I should be somehow saying things that are more 'fun', but It's kind od hard to be 'fun' when the other person is still in the stages of being a bit tense due to being spoken too by a stranger. Do you have little 'mini routines' when it comes to the early part of the conversation? What sort of things do you say/talk about?


So yeah, input and thoughts on them two areas would be welcome from the BRITISH readers

It's not just you mate. ]

But speaking in generalizations:

English girls in the South/South East have their head so far up their own asses its unbelievable. This is why the majority of them are single miserable and lonely. I am fairly successful with women and my group of friends are about the same, we've all said the same thing.

I've been out on so many nights Southampton / Portsmouth / Bournemouth and the girls are trying to give the impression that they're gods gift and don't have time for ANY guy. Its a really interesting trend in that part of England.

Even with girls who are fully aware that a smart and good looking guy is coming on to them they would sooner say "go away im speaking with my friend!" because that is just the trend, and that is their own little way of feeling cool and important. Then they wake up and go to the same job they will have for a lifetime, and they will be back next weekend in the same club doing the same shit, until eventually they settle down and raise kids to do the same.

The amount of times I've gone out for a smoke with a friend and walked past some girls and perfectly innocently have said "Hi girls" or "Hey guys having a good night?" Or something along those lines and get told to fuck off is truly unbelievable. I can do the same thing in virtually any other part of the world and its a great friendly, non needy opener.

I've been polite charming and been looking great, and have opened so many sets in these city's and get absolutely shot down but the girls and their friends. I've had some success sure, but to be honest I don't even bother any more - you need to get yourself to London.

The ENTIRE vibe there is different, everyone is out to have fun, not just to be rude to people just who are just making conversation, and get drunk to try and forget how shitty their lives are.

I promise if you go to one of the bigger cities (London, Manchester etc) you won't have this problem anywhere near as much. People there tend to be smarter, more socially aware, and just generally better people.

I've been clubbing in the Southwest (Dorset) and the girls there are way more friendly. Grab a friend, share a premier inn (about £30 a night each) and go out that way, you'll have way more fun.

The south of England is honestly the hardest place to Pick up in my mind, with the exception of Sweden where I found the girls to be very cold (not rude like the english mind, just completely disinterested)

America is the easiest. I don't know if it's the accent of what but they're so much more outgoing and friendly in general.

Sounds like you totally understand!

I didn't want to go into anytihng too negative in the opening post, but since you brought up harsh rejections after a smile and a simple 'hi how are you?' sort of thing, I can tell you that i've also had LOADS of them sort of rejections! lol

I nearly got into a fight with the friend of a girl to whom I simply said 'Hey. I like your hat'' and smiled. They (the girls and her female friends) got aggressive and were like ''You don't even know her! fuck off!!'' kind of thing. I ended up nearly throttling some white knight who was with them!

Other times, even though the girls aren't outright aggressive, they are VERY VERY guarded. They have this look in their eyes like ''Errr....this is weird! Why are you talking to me? you don't know me'' sort of thing. As a result, it's VERY hard to get them to open up and get a conversation going. So actually having sex would be like literally climbing Everest.

And as recently as last weekend, I approached a 2-set, and even though they were actually relatively friendly, they were so shocked that i'd just approached them without knowing them, that they insisted that I must be on some sort of 'dare' from my friends.

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My friends who DO get laid here get it all through tinder!! Most of my friends get laid every few nights on tinder, but no with cold approach. It's like girls are fine with meeting strangers for sex fro tinder, but think it's weird if a guy approaches them

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I'd love to go to the US and see how different things are, but very expensive, and I feel i'd need more than just a few weeks. I'd want a few months to really settle in, but that's way too much money.

There's also going up north where people are way friendlier which is something to consider, although I still hate teh idea fo having to travel around to get a slightest shot at getting laid!

And then there's other countries. Do you think one would have more luck somewhere like Hungary or Prague or somewhere? I know the UK accent seems to carry some weight in teh US, but where else, in your opinion?

cheers

Asia love the British, Eastern Europe your get a friendly response and most people in their 20s talk some English.

You're not gonna solve your problems if you keep looking for blame outside of yourself.
This is not a matter of culture. I've spent multiple vacations in the UK. I've went to British pubs. I've met British women in British environments and I did nothing different than what I usually do.
Unless you live in India, Pakistan or other culturally involved and extremely conservative countries, culture is in no way, shape or form a problem.

Your specific issue is that you think seduction is strictly in the words you use. It's not. There's no magic lines that get you laid.
I've visited Germany during a time in which my German vocabulary consisted of a grand total of "Hallo, du bist schön". I wasn't even saying it right and the huge language barrier still didn't keep me from having sex with Olga the same night I met her.

Seduction is subcommunication. Quit limiting yourself. Stop talking to women and start flirting with them.

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Sounds like you totally understand!

I didn't want to go into anytihng too negative in the opening post, but since you brought up harsh rejections after a smile and a simple 'hi how are you?' sort of thing, I can tell you that i've also had LOADS of them sort of rejections! lol

It's ridiculous, and their loss

I nearly got into a fight with the friend of a girl to whom I simply said 'Hey. I like your hat'' and smiled. They (the girls and her female friends) got aggressive and were like ''You don't even know her! fuck off!!'' kind of thing. I ended up nearly throttling some white knight who was with them!

White knight is likely to be a friend who won't be getting any

Other times, even though the girls aren't outright aggressive, they are VERY VERY guarded. They have this look in their eyes like ''Errr....this is weird! Why are you talking to me? you don't know me'' sort of thing. As a result, it's VERY hard to get them to open up and get a conversation going. So actually having sex would be like literally climbing Everest.

It's a culture phenomenon. I've found a very direct approach can SOMETIMES break this.Say to her friend "wow is your friend always this guarded? I'm just saying hi don't worry i'm not hitting on you! Hows your night been?

And as recently as last weekend, I approached a 2-set, and even though they were actually relatively friendly, they were so shocked that i'd just approached them without knowing them, that they insisted that I must be on some sort of 'dare' from my friends.
This sounds like it has potential. Try to remember what you did differently (if anything) and implment that in the future.

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My friends who DO get laid here get it all through tinder!! Most of my friends get laid every few nights on tinder, but no with cold approach. It's like girls are fine with meeting strangers for sex fro tinder, but think it's weird if a guy approaches them
Again this is a UK thing. Tinder / POF is now a much better way of meeting women than going out im afraid. I don't care what the community says. It's their problem if they have outdated opinions. My advice RE tinder would be GET THEM OFF TINDER ASAP. Within 10 messages you want to have her number. Then facetime. If you facetime a girl afterwards I'd say 95% of the time they wont flake on a date. If you ask a girl on a date from tinder without a phone call or facetime I can almost gaurentee she will flake. Facetime is an awesome tool. I have met several women this way and F closes

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I'd love to go to the US and see how different things are, but very expensive, and I feel i'd need more than just a few weeks. I'd want a few months to really settle in, but that's way too much money.

Do it! I'm hoping to travel the states for a while in February. Not just for pick up mind

There's also going up north where people are way friendlier which is something to consider, although I still hate teh idea fo having to travel around to get a slightest shot at getting laid!

Get a group of friends together and do it! Some of the best nights of my life have been in Manchester. People who travel get laid. Whats the point in staying in the same area. Theres a whole world out there, go and explore it. From my experience just by being in a different county (let alone country!) adds value. Shows your independent, daring, exciting.

And then there's other countries. Do you think one would have more luck somewhere like Hungary or Prague or somewhere? I know the UK accent seems to carry some weight in teh US, but where else, in your opinion?
I've never been to Hungary or Prague!
cheers

I've gotten laid through cold approach in the UK.

I've gotten laid through cold approach where I live (Caribbean)

I haven't been to the US in a while (over a decade) but I'm sure it wouldn't be any different.

One of the most IMPORTANT skills in cold approach is calibration and comfort. If you are opening and people are giving you shit, then there is something wrong with YOUR approach, not everyone else.