Here's a question I haven't seen addressed on here or in any books or newletters...what's your percentages on the bullets below, where did you start and where are you now? Presumably, as we become better at this, the percentages get better (if not, we're definitely doing something wrong, right?)

- Opening
- Creating a connection/attraction successfully once you've opened
- Getting a successful number close
- Getting a successful kiss close
- Getting a successful call back
- Getting a successful date
- Getting a successful f-close

Here's my stats, considering that I'm sort of just getting started:

- Opening: in terms of just opening, I'm getting better at this. I'm not to the "open anyone anytime anywhere" goal yet, but this is entirely under my control. I've gotten much better at this walking up and flirting/teasing, still working on it. I'm probably hitting 50%, but again it's completely under my control as to whether I open or not...it's entirely up to me to make that 100%. Opening 100% will bump all the other percentages...I need to just not even give a shit and just do it.

- Creating connection/attraction: I'm thinking I'm hitting maybe 20% or so here. I'm probably not talking enough...I think maybe I'm ejecting from a set too early too. Gotta put some more effort into this. What I'm discovering that seems to work well for me personally is bouncing in and out of the set a few times. Hmm...I haven't seen that mentioned much. I've got to put some "inner game" work into this...after I know someone, I can talk all afternoon and it comes easily to me to build a connection with a woman after I've gotten to know her a bit. I'm not sure exactly what I'm missing here...I should be *great* at this part and sometimes I am...I've got to observe myself and what it is that is going wrong in those cases where the connection doesn't just take off. (Am I reading her body language wrong? Am I missing her cues? I really think I might be giving up too easily and ejecting from the set too soon. Gotta think on this one.)

- Number close: I'm doing pretty well there...when I feel like the comfort level is good enough that I can ask for a number and get it, I ask. I think I'm actually hitting 90%+ there, I believe. I can't think of maybe 1-2 cases (out of 10 or so) where I've asked for a number but didn't get it.

- Kiss close: I'm not attempting kiss closes nearly enough...I'm only hitting maybe 5% of the opens, but it's because I'm not attempting. I know I need to work more toward gradually escalating and work up to a kiss close. I've got to be braver/not give a shit more on my part! If I just try, I'll probably push the percentage much higher.

- Getting a call back: I'm not doing well there (maybe 10% or so), and it's probably because I'm not building connection well enough AND not attempting more kiss closes. I have to admit though that some of the ladies I've met and collected a number from I've reconsidered the next day and said "Hmmm...she wasn't that cute, I'm not sure I could see taking her on a date". I probably should call more of those, if for nothing else other than practice, eh? I'm not just looking for a lay (but then I'm not looking for anything serious at this point either)...my standards are pretty high, so perhaps I should relax them just a bit to gain some pre-selection value...thoughts? I can't see wasting much time with someone I wouldn't really be interested in dating, even if I did get a lay or two out of it. I'd rather put that time toward finding and meeting those ladies that I really like. Personal preference I guess.

- Getting a successful date: Not high enough yet...but as mentioned above, some of the ladies I've met don't seem so cute the next day. And it's not so much that they lack phsyical attractiveness (I don't approach any woman I think is unappealing)...they lack an interesting personality or have lots of baggage (not something I need or want to deal with at the moment...I've had 13 years of baggage handling, don't need any more.) I am a bit picky. I'd rather slowly accumulate a few really good girlfriends than to quickly accumulate a bunch of psychos and drama queens, to put it bluntly.

- Getting a successful f-close: Not high enough yet...but again, I'm not that interested in banging someone just for a bang. But then...maybe I should ask myself this: why not? Hmm. There's nothing wrong with getting laid if the woman is all for it too. Maybe I need to examine my "inner game" here a bit. Does getting laid more (even with women I wouldn't choose to date) make me MORE or LESS appealing to women who are attractive to me on all terms? This seems like a good question...the answer is probably "more attractive", correct or no? Assuming yes, I probably should capitalize on more opportunities.

Ya know, I think the fact that my percentages are so scattered probably tells me something (or at least confirms it): I lack consistency. Practice makes perfect however...

Gruuve

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Good idea for a thread buddy. Here's mine.

Opening: Maybe about 10-20% right now, no where near what it should be, but I've been improving allot recently. Of course as you said the higher this percentage goes, the higher the rest will go.
Creating Attraction: This is a weird one, I can create attraction providing I get about 5-10minutes into the interaction and get a flowing conversation going. When I get to this stage I'd say 60-70%.
Number Close: Need to be a bit more decisive with this, for some reason lately I've been content with a facebook which gets me nowhere, need to keep pushing the number. Percentage wise probably about 20-30%
Kiss Close: Another thing I need to be more decisive with, a wing of mine has a great motto "make the ho say no". Though last time I went out I was much more dominate and ended up making out with a girl most of the night. Percentage, a lowly 5-10% right now, but this will be changing soon as I've recently had a new lease of life.
Call Back: Here we start hitting major problems, unfortunately I havent been getting many number closes and when I do I know for a fact even when I get the number that I havent built enough comfort. Even with the girl I was with for several hours the other night which I mentioned in the kiss close section, when I tried taking it further she didn't wanna know, and actually got quite agressive about it. Around 5% for this one.
Date: Well with little call backs there are little dates, had one which was last week and it was a disaster, though relations are still good. I'll say 5% with this aswell.
Full-Close: A big fat 0%, and this is over the course of my entire life. The v-card is still very much slapped on my forehead. However, I have had opportunies to go all the way and chose not to do it because of my own standards.


My biggest things to work on are definately approaching more, that and building more comfort in the interaction to increase chances of the callback and date then of course f-close. Lately my thoughts have been changing about what I should be doing whilst sarging, I now realise probably the biggest thing I need to be doing is showing more dominance. In the short time since I've realised this I've had noticable improvements in interactions.

Again great thread Gruuve

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- Opening- When I started my sucess rate was around 5% maybe less. Now it is probably in the 80% region, a lot of this is because I call my shots these days.

- Creating a connection/attraction successfully once you've opened- When I started it was probably 20% or the 5% lol. Now I think if I can get hooked and near to rapport it is on.

- Getting a successful number close- WHen I started 2%, now I don't collect numbers.

- Getting a successful kiss close-Early on we are tlaking a tiny percentage not even sure like 5%. Now if I isolate and get into rapport it is probably 90%

- Getting a successful call back-Not even sure what it was when I started, I deleted most numbers on the same night but a couple I liked enough to text, so out of the ones I was interested in 50%. Now if I get a girls number it will be 100%

- Getting a successful date- I didn't do dates early on so 0% or 100% depending on how optomistically you look at it. Now I barely do dates but I'd say 80% go well

- Getting a successful f-close- 0% when I started (I learnt to open before I learnt rapport etc). Now I barely bother, sex isn't something that is hugely important to me but in the interests of stats 100% of women that I like by the end of a date I will sleep with (usually weeks after).

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Not really successful on any of them to be honest..........unless it counts that this girl I've known for about a year gave me her cell number at my mom's house yesterday =/

Opening 50-80%
- Creating a connection/attraction successfully once you've opened 30-40%
- Getting a successful number close 90%
- Getting a successful kiss close 40-50%
- Getting a successful call back 60-70%
- Getting a successful date 80-90%
- Getting a successful f-close 1-5%

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- Opening: 90%
- Creating a connection/attraction successfully once you've opened: These sometimes become my weak point... 60%
- Getting a successful number close ... 80%
- Getting a successful kiss close ... 40%
- Getting a successful call back ... 70%
- Getting a successful date ... 90%
- Getting a successful f-close ... 10%

Of course these numbers change through time... they depend on the venue, the girl, my attitude, etc... they can increase or decrease depending on many factors but I guess those are the overall numbers.

I'm really good at opening, it is the easiest task for me, creating a connection can become a difficult task in a club, but in day game it is really easy for me. I find kiss close easier if you have a strong connection so it depends on the connection.

Call back depends on how you managed yourself and if you created the "I want to see him again" emotion.

I find having a successful date really easy since you already created some emotions and since girls are all about dating it becomes really easy to enjoy a nice talk in any place and then move to another place and see how things work.

As for the F-close I don't live alone so sometimes it gets more complicated to escalate in a sexual location. And I only have sex with girl I really like and not just the HB6 I met when I was drunk so that's why I just put a 10% ... that increases everytime I go in a trip with friends.

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Hey guys...these posts are really insightful for me (and I'm sure for everyone). There's one question still in my mind though...does getting laid frequently and/or by lots of different women make you MORE or LESS appealing to other women? I'd think it's some of both...probably logically they'd think "not someone I want to get involved with" but the emotional buttons are saying "do him...you don't want to feel left-out". I would think getting laid frequently by several different women seems like the ultimate pre-selection. True or no?

Gruuve

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Getting laid more often does make you more appealing. And you don't even have to say anything about it. Women's intution is so strong, they can tell these type of things.

Now she may call you out and call you a player, but she knows she has to step up her game if she wants to keep you interested.

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Blogs and summaries of everything I have learned and field tested.

- Opening: 80%
- Creating a connection/attraction successfully once you've opened: These sometimes become my weak point... 100%
- Getting a successful number close ... 80%
- Getting a successful kiss close ... 60%
- Getting a successful call back ... 80%
- Getting a successful date ... 50%
- Getting a successful f-close ... 20%

Wow i must be getting better

Are we talking about cold approaches ?

Like what is the percentage of girls I will f-close that I approach ?

Because I think my ratio probably is 10 - 1 but looking at Butterfield saying 20 % = 10 - 2 those are great numbers for every ten girls you cold approach ending with two in bed ... well that are great numbers, congratulations. If you do 30 approaches a week then you are f- closing 6 girls per week ...

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Opening: 90%
- Creating a connection/attraction successfully once you've opened: 70%
- Getting a successful number close ... 70%
- Getting a successful kiss close ... 60%
- Getting a successful call back ... 70%
- Getting a successful date ... 50%
- Getting a successful f-close ... 10%