can unattractive women pick up guys???
as simple as that, is there attraction switches in our mind besides the switches affected by sight?

iv seen it many times...so yes.

i have a friend who is not really attractive, but is really good at flirting and in bed. she gets any one she wants.
also, i say this lady who was quite overweight and not good looking hook up with a nice looking guy. he was not drunk.

and no im not saying over weight people are ugly. dont any one take it personaly kuz i am not the type to think like that.

Yes girls can pickup guys but I think it is more difficult for them. I was out with a few girls from work a couple of weeks ago and this one girl must have kiss closed about 3 guys (I'd say she is no more than a 3 looks wise) then all of us went back to her house for a wind down party and she started trying to game me! Started to stroke my lower back while I was jamming on an acoustic guitar and giving me the "i wanna f*** you" look, luckily I'm a man of great will power and standards, plus I wasn't drunk so I told her to leave it out but I was seriously suprised at how many guys she managed to hook. The girl's got some game!

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a girl that can game guys, has to be playful and sarcastic. she needs to be fun and witty. and good in bed is a big plus.

just my oppinion...

PUA's are different... so im not talking about PUA's. plus, i have an easy time manipulating, even though i dont over use it.

anyways, i think guys are really easy.
They tend to get manipulated by a girls game. if a girl had a bit of game...then guys are easy targets. The only anoying thing is that many guys have inner confidence issues that they hide, and if a girl is too confident some times guys freak out and feel small or something.

most men are quite stupid when it comes to game...

if you make them feel like they are in control, but manipulate them without them realizing...its done. most guys. With others you just need to be straight to the point. as long as you know what guys will actually do something and not chicken out...its easy.

Thats a really good question! Also, do you think that an unattractive girl has to use more seduction technique and hints towards sex to close on someone?

I would think an unattractive girl would have to bump up her flirting, kino, and sexual inuendo and stray away from building rapport and comfort - for that time being. Later on up the road she would want to get into that, but I think she would want to focus on spur of the moment interaction, sexual connection, reaction, and vibing.

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I've personally seen an ex-roomate of mine who I had previously seen pull some hawt girls. However, I watched on 3 seperate occasions when he was gamed by girls. 2 of which I would consider UGs and one who is a HB6 at best.

All of these girls, were playful and fun. However, all three made their intentions clear through body language and tonality, and one outright straightforwad (the HB 6). None of these girls expected anything from my roomate, so in the end everyone was happy.

Not trying to sound vulgar here or anything, but if you just want sex and nothing more, go to a town that is predominantly filled with men (a town with a large mine or army base or something there) and you will be able to get roots everywhere. It's not a nice thought, but it is true. Fuck all this shit everyone else is saying about having game if you just want lots of sex. Any army or mining town, or a town with a naval port in it, will have randy, single-minded guys all over the place. All you have to do is pretty much become a slut in these towns and you will never go wanting. I know it sounds bad, and it is pretty bad, but it is true. Trust me, I live in an army town and I see fit, good looking guys go home with shockers nearly every night I go out. So if you really want to stoop low, that is the way to go. Sorry if I offended anyone, but it is the truth, no point sugar coating it.

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aaahhhh. girl game.

Physically "unattractive" women can intrigue a guy's mind to the point where he finds her visually attractive. there are certain attraction switches for a man (social desire, sexual tantalization, intellectual cruelty, etc.) that work like a charm, if the girl has patterned the man correctly. And I'm not just talking about pulling men. I'm talking about bagging them for LTR's.

There is comfort involved, but it's mixed with a bit of social desire (the entire room seems to want her, but can not have her, thus, setting up a social conquering scenario... the girl makes herself more than a woman, she is a challenge with a clear winner.) She has to make him comfortable enough that she is not a total whore in order for him to not feel threatened by her sexual prowess when she tries to bump up the sexual frame.

That's why, Musterion, you probably were not very attracted to that girl by the end of that night (even though yeah yeah yeah she wasn't your type.) She had been making out with three guys at the bar. It lowers her social desire value. No man wants what every man has easily.

As far as kino, she's got to push and pull. That's the only way it works. Reward and punish. You have to trigger sexual tantalization and curiosity, not hump his brains out in a corner of the bar (if the girl really wants to have a shot at bagging the guy for a while.) Brushing by things lightly and "accidentally" is as far as she should go, IMO, and that's only near the end.

Intellectual cruelty... she has to outwit and surprise him, and make him wonder why she's not trying to flatter or impress (but not in a try-hard way, it has to be in a "i'm comfortable existing and being awesome" way. She has to have a hint of cruelty to her mind... so that it seems to surpass "stupid slut" capacity even into having the "mind of a man." (I cringe at that last phrase because I think all human beings have the same brilliant capacity, bla bla bla, but a smart female PUA is going to know she has to play to men's prejudices sometimes in order to break them.)

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That does make allot of sense Zip, thank you.
I wasn't attracted from the off anyway as I have worked with her for a while and wasn't physically attracted etc. Also I had been told by a couple of people before hand that she was gonna try it on with me so I kinda had my guard up the whole time. By the end of the night I wouldn't say I was any less or more "attracted" but it felt more like I had lost allot of respect for her as a person and I feel this would be the same with most guys. In terms of the quick pull on the guys in the bar she did well, but other than that it seemed a bit of a farce if you know what I mean.

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Someone asked my opinion on girls gaming guys. Can it be done?

The answer is yes...and no. Game works differently with female PUAs. Yes, she can entice him, intrigue him, tease him, abuse him, reward and punish him, do whatever it takes to pump up his interest in her. She can even drag him by the hand back to her apartment and drop a damn near perfect Showgirls impression on him. But at the end of the day, he's going to have to take over and lead one way or another IF she's managed to game him well enough to overcome the lack of physical attraction when they first met.

By this I mean there's a switch* in his head that determines whether or not he's going to have sex with the woman in question. For some guys, the switch is stuck permanently to ON. For others it requires lubrication---maybe a few beers. For others still it requires a tripartite combination of physical, mental, and emotional attraction, and 2 out of 3 won't do. Yes, some guys are actually pretty choosy with who they sleep with. If you're a girl and you wake up to see a "WTF" look on your sleeping prince's face in the morning: he's not sleeping, he's planning the quickest way to escape from the memory of having done it with you. The fact that he's still there means you two were probably friends before sex, and he's a nice guy at heart.

We're wired differently, and while a man can always woo a woman with his wit, charm, and pocketbook, it's not true the other way around. It's much easier and more likely for Biggie Smalls (a.k.a. Notorious B.I.G.) to game a hot girl than it is for Roseanne to game a hot guy. The same biological switches of attraction---upon which most important game principles are dependent upon---built into women does not apply to men, and all of Roseanne's fame, fortune, and social value does not matter if the guy just isn't into fat chicks (and does not drink beer).

On the other hand, guys with great game will often make hot women try to game him. To generate and magnify desire in others, it's sometimes necessary to hide or eliminate signs of desire from yourself. So if you're a female PUA and the guy keeps finding ways to be alone with you, but does not show any signs of attraction to you, it's a good bet he's either gaming you...or just shy.

*The feminine counterpart to this switch is stuck in permanent "maybe" mode for all women.

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Great answer Roads....I believe it was I who was asking you about this haha. Anway, I think it is important to elaborate on one of your key elements because you once gave me a great example...

Gaming/attraction is like dancing...it involves 2 people and there must be a leader and a follower. If you have 2 leaders, you will have a constant power struggle. If you have 2 followers, nothing will ever be accompished (this is seen when two people are extremely shy and don't show interest in each other). But if you have a leader and a follower, then the leader will initiate the moves and the follower mirrors them back and it creates a fluid motion.

In dance, the male is the leader and the woman the follower. Like Roads said, the female can lure the male and make him interested, but at some point, the female must let go and let the male lead.

Bonita, I'm glad you remember our little conversation given all the fun you've been having in DC. It's good to be understood and remembered, especially by pretty girls.

The dance example is an excellent metaphor for PUA. One of my instructors once said that the woman can be the best dancer in the world but their dance will only be as good as her lead. She may know moves and want to pull them off, but there's no way she can do it if the man does not initiate the movements necessary for her to perform those moves.

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yeh well woman want men just as much as we want them. They just dont ussually do it cause they dont want to be seen in that way.

If an unattractive chick opend me, i'd probly just shut her off. I dont look deep enuf. Do you think this is a problem? me having too high standards??

It's important to know what you're attracted to, but it's also important not to be so shallow that you exclude positive experiences from your life.

Part of this third generation PUA stuff is about getting over yourself and opening yourself up to the experiences you SHOULD be having. If I hadn't gotten over myself a bit, I would have missed out on some of the greatest people I've ever met and been with.

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