I started studying the mystery method while dating a HB7

And my advice to anyone who hasn't already checked it out, is that you need too.

Only two days after me and her broke up, I started gaming a HB9. And I'll be honest, I never had much trust in the PUA game and the mystery method until I had this girl all over me within an hour. Now my game isn't perfected but I've been studying it almost every night, and gaming a ton of other girls.

This stuff works. Straight up.

But I'm looking for more that I could study into, any suggestions?

Currently I've just been watching the mystery method part 1 - 5 on youtube. So i'm looking for something similar.

I took Mystery's stuff and twisted it my own way. There is a TON of different PUA stuff out there... The key is to understand the principles of it, imply it, see what works and what doesn't work, adjust accordingly, and develop a system that works for you. Going by text book what Mystery has to say will make you sound robotic lol

You're a month in, you'll grow past it. Honestly all Mystery Method does is help you hide your issues when it comes courtship... Low self-esteem(low value) and neediness which also has a ton of shit to do with self-esteem. It gives you something to say when you are afraid to say anything... That said those issues will re-emerge if you have them as relationships get more serious.

Not a big fan of Mystery or routines in general. I believe in individuality not robotic disciples, learn to be yourself and get the girl... believe it or not those are two separate missions that run together.

Sorry to shoot you down but imo teaching younger guys to go head first and fall in love with Mystery Method is bad advice. I feel you should fix the actual problem and not focus on something that hides it... just as much effort gets put into hiding it but nothing gets fixed with this system.

I highly recommend reading Mark Manson's Models http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/146375 ... fnatgam-20 This will give you a good idea of the why of pick up or concept and thus give you a much better chance at becoming very good with women without being some tool copying line after line of someone else... it lets you be an individual which is a huge key to being successful with women.

Peace and Love,

Vic

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Mystery Method fits a certain type of individual. It is a how to on social dynamics and can mess with you if you start to overanalyze the material. I recommend methods that aren't natural to those that are not socially savvy. It saves you time and I consider them training wheels until you are able to these things unconsciously. I started out with the mystery method but I only took things that I felt were useful such as the hook, bait, and release technique. The most important thing that to remember is to not take the guidelines to heart and overdo them.

Happy gaming!


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I much prefer Gambler's methods, but thats just me, works better in the UK, not sure about your country, but if you want to improve club game, check out his stuff on youtube on stealth seduction

I think broadly speaking the attraction-comfort-seduction process is interesting and when you read the descriptions of how things can go wrong without following this process, e.g. looking for comfort before attraction creates bitch shields, going from attraction to seduction creates buyer's remorse.

I think the whole idea of showing disinterest in the girl you're actually interested in is also quite interesting, and is a good reminder that people want what they think they can't have, and that idea is quite foundational to thinking about game.

I also place a lot of stock in some of the advice about stance, body angling, not pecking etc. Noone wants to believe this stuff counts because we all want to believe that our true personality shines through. But it counts.

Why anyone would praise Owen Cook over Mystery is beyond me, to be honest. "Real social dynamics?" RSD is just like having someone spot you while you bench press. "Come on man, you can do it, push through that shit" and that's great. But Mystery has substance, and some of his concepts are so foundational to game that it seems wierd that anyone's hating on him.

I think we can all agree though that following a particular process devoutly is a bad idea, and that even if it leads to success, it's pretty soulless, and it's better adapting the whole thing to your own needs, as others have already said.

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I agree almost 100% with what you guys are saying! The mystery method is great, and has a lot of interesting information. But taking it, and using almost as a guideline for life, I think would actually make you feel soulless too.

The real thing it's helped me out with is the push and pull technique and the freezes out. Other then that, it's helped me just be more comfortable around women. Too many people have a problem with putting women's priorities higher then there's. And what mystery is doing, is simply putting your value back up there with there's.

PUA methods are great, but it won't teach you how to form a real relationship with someone, it only gives you subconscious ways to lead the person in the direction you want. I think what people fail to understand is that you still need to open up in relationship. If everything you do is a trick, the other person will eventually pick up on it.

Thanks for all the suggestions and interesting comments! I'll diffidently check them out.

My problem with mystery method is it assumes you are already low value... what if we already have high value? The reality is someone who has value has no need to demonstrate it. I don't need to say shit to show value, it's in how I carry myself, what I wear, etc. how can this possibly be helpful?

RSD makes you high value (from my understanding), mystery helps you fake high value.... FUCKING HORRIBLE IMO. Mystery doesn't have substance, talking about your ex or faking like you want her opinion is not substance. Faking high value is not giving you substance. RSD makes you a man of substance, from what I've learned about them. I don't know much about RSD, but from what I know about both I choose RSD.

There are plenty of good concepts behind mystery method, but they are concepts, each situation is different. You need to read and react. I can walk up directly to some women and face them completely, all it does is build sexual tension because of the initial attraction.

Mystery method is a band aid.... NOT a solution. I do not advertise giving someone a band aid when they are bleeding heavily it doesn't help, the issue is still there.

The problem is most people don't realize is every rule that Mystery makes I've broken and had great success, in fact if I would have followed his method I would have lost the girl on some occasions.

I used to believe in starting with routines to get started but in retrospect I believe you should start by working on YOU, not by going out and picking up on girls... I'm not saying you shouldn't start opening girls. I'm saying you should worry more about your mindset, mental, spiritual, physical and emotional health (happiness in every aspect of your life), after that you can start working on pick up and have success at a much faster speed. Plus your happiness in general will make you far more independent of her opinion thus valuing you much more.

Peace and Love,

Vic

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I'm not familiar with Mystery Method at all, I've read "The Game" but that's all.

What I want to say is that in the begin, I've read a lot of books. Gamblers 'The Natural', Mark Raymond's 'Magical Tactics', and watched some video's. I was all like wow, this stuff is great blabla, let's try it out. Well; that ended pretty bad. Like literally none did work.

Now does that say the methods are bad? NO! It's just that I didn't know what I was doing or why they didn't work, or why they COULD work. I had no basic knowledge about attraction, body language or anything. So basically I didn't know how to calibrate at all.

Then I just started to do my own stuff, write down what I did and how the girl reacted in the blog, and saw what went good/wrong. If there was some stuff that I couldn't figure out, THEN I started looking for external help such as books about body language, attraction. Seriously, most of the time guys think; "How should I react, what do I need to say to make her like me?" Even I think thought of that, and sometimes I still do! Stop thinking what to say next, just listen to what she says. Listen to her words, tonality and read her body language. Smiles, hair stroking everything, there are no better signs!

It's all about that. If you try to impress one girl in a whole group and that girl isn't interested you can see that by her body language. Then look to the rest of the girls. If some of them are looking you in the eye when you speak, that's your clue!

You don't need books or theory's or gimmicky to find these signs. You subconciously find them, if you really look for it.
Make that two of us. Mark Manson Models is extremely recommended. No gimmicky lines, just basic principles about attraction and how to improve your life. How to be honest to yourself, how to love yourself and so on. I'm 2/3 in the book now, and I love the book. It gives you a great insight about why most dating advice is wrong or not good explained.

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