Great post, thank you Dojo

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No man with his priorities straight and a lot of sexual options would waste this much time on one chick.

So your saying guys with autism shouldnt do pick up?

No, guys with autism should simply not attempt this type of learning style, trying to learn by throwing mud at a wall to see what sticks over time is probably not a very viable option for people that are on the spectrum as they tend to have difficulty noticing where the mud is.

Other options such as very specific ''systems'' for pickup would be better to practice that include very specific guidelines into what to say/do, what to look for in body language would be more beneficial for people with autism to try to compensate for a lack of ability in reading body language/facial cues naturally.

Everyone is different, and there are varying levels of autism, but someone who is not functional is likely not going to learn anything by simply going after a girl four times because that's the whole issue with autism to begin with, the trouble differentiating and obtaining proper meaning from social cues.

I probably should have been more specific and offered further context: I am not saying that you have to do this on every single approach. I am just illustrating that oftentimes guys give up too early, and that girls can completely flip their minds if you put in some time with them.

So for guys who are learning, knowing that you're "allowed" to re-engage up to 3 more times can give them that extra edge and teach them not to give up too early.

Especially if they REALLY like a girl or they are super attracted to her, it is good for them to know they did everything they could before walking away, and I've seen too many girls fall under the spell of persistence to know that this can make amazing things happen.

See this is great advice. What works for someone might not work for someone else. And the people criticizing this have not yet field-tested it, so that is literally the only way to know for sure whether something will benefit you or not. All I can say is, one of the best cold-approach PUAs suggested this to me and when I started to incorporate I got laid more often.

What if you're not interested in someone that's going to make you put in that much work?
Personally I find that amount of effort to be exhausting and one sided. When I've done all the work in a conversation or just getting to know someone I tend to feel a bit of resentment and am no longer interested in them.

Also I do not like to beg or irritate others and I hate when others don't understand that I only wish to say no once and no more than that. I'm also not interested in starting anything at all with someone when I had to ask 4 times in a row for it to happen.

I have done this in the past and it's just a very awkward scenario afterwards when it does work. When it doesn't work there's often public shaming e.g. I met a girl at a bar and she wasn't interested, so I didn't say anything while we were are the bar again. I see her at the bar a 2nd time and I go for it again and she brushes me off rudely a 2nd time. I just forget about her. The 3rd time I run into her when I say hello and make an attempt to talk to her she loudly exclaims "TAKE A HINT CREEP!! I'M NOT INTERESTED IN YOU!" loud enough that everyone around could hear.


On the other hand, I've talked to girls and told them I was interested and they said they weren't or they had a boyfriend and then I just never ever bring it up again for the entirety of the time I know them. When I don't bring it up again, ever, they sometimes bring it up and hint about how I used to be interested in them and mention they're single or whatever. I still don't bother to say anything. This often leads to them saying something along those lines, which is what I prefer in the first place.



If you're fine with asking someone the same shit 4 times in a row, good for you. Personally I am not. I've tried it before and had it work even and it just leaves an intense feeling of resentment and I lose interest REAL FUCKING FAST if I had to do ALL the work to get this to work. I often bail out before I even get laid, cause I just don't fuckign care anymore e.g. I met this girl on Plenty of fish and we start texting back and forth and I asked if she wanted to hang out [1]. She says no and says she wants to get to know me more and see what I'm all about.

We talk a bit more and then things get pretty sexual and I asked if she wanted to hang out [2] and she says she doesn't know me well enough and needs to get to know me more.

We talk more and more and things get even more sexual and I ask if she wanted to meet up sometime and hang out [3] she says she can't cause she's busy but she'd like to sometime. Well, she was fake busy... cause she starts posting about hanging out with her friends on facebook....

We talk a bit more and mostly about sex and I ask if she wants to hang out [4] she says yes and says she wants to come over to my house and asks for the address. I give her the address. She's texting me some raunchy shit and saying she wants to fuck my brains out. I'm annoyed that I had to ask 4 fucking times to hang out and a bit irritated she was pretend busy last time.

She arrives and the guard calls up to ask if it's okay if she comes into the building. I've had time to think about it and be a bit annoyed. I say, no, tell her I'm busy and something came up. I never spoke to her again. I blocked her number... I was pretty fucking irritated I had to ask 4 times for her to come over and she never made any effort to ask me if I wanted to hang out. Plus she never texted me out of the blue, she only texted if she was responding to a text I sent. All of this irritated the fuck out of me, so I cut her off.

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