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Bottom line here's the question... I invite girls to go have a drink somewhere or get a smoothie... something I know wont be very expensive because I go on a lot of dates and cant afford to spend too much money each time. The problem is when we get there they're hungry and want to order food. How do I avoid having to buy meals on the 1st date. I dont mind doing it later on after we've gone to the next level but I cant afford to buy every girl a meal on the 1st date.
When you set the logistics, if you want to be cost effective, you can plan according, you could screen girls out to just have a date at your house, or her house (this really reduces your volume down, but these are very easy dates). You can also when asking a girl out for drinks, go for 9pm or later so it is passed dinner time.

You can also use her asking for food to further move logistics, I know I personally almost always have, lean grd chicken, lean grd turkey, salad, yams, brussle sprouts and steaks in my fridge/freezer unless I've been lazy with shopping. I keep a bottle of white wine on hand and have whiskey/scotch/cognac in the liquor cabinet. If you're having drinks you could tell her you planned to make yourself dinner at home after the date and she is welcome to come home with you so you can cook her a bite to eat. Whip up the steaks, mix up a caesar salad and pour her a glass of wine, turn off the lights and light some candles up.

Put yourself in a good position. Paying for a girl is not the end of the world, if you're asking her out on the date it is good etiquette to pay. No one wants to feel like their date is cheap or stingy, because it makes them feel like they are not worth it, at the same time you can avoid them feeling like they are not worth it by just planning your dates better so that they lead to something but don't cost you money.


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Put yourself in a good position. Paying for a girl is not the end of the world, if you're asking her out on the date it is good etiquette to pay. No one wants to feel like their date is cheap or stingy, because it makes them feel like they are not worth it, at the same time you can avoid them feeling like they are not worth it by just planning your dates better so that they lead to something but don't cost you money.
As a female, when I'm going out with a guy and he's giving off that stingy vibe, it makes me think that a. he's not that interested in me to pay for the date and 2. I'm not that worthy to him to do so.

However, about the dinner part: If the guy's meeting the girl for the first time, going to his place for dinner is not safe for the girl. I don't have anything against it but as a 1-3 date rule, I never do. I need to see this guy's not a maniac from a safety point of view.

Secondly, if I'm meeting a guy (from online dating), I prefer earlier in the day, around 6-7 PM. Again, I don't want to leave the bar with a parking lot empty and the guy following me. This is strictly from a safety point.


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However, about the dinner part: If the guy's meeting the girl for the first time, going to his place for dinner is not safe for the girl. I don't have anything against it but as a 1-3 date rule, I never do. I need to see this guy's not a maniac from a safety point of view.
Except that most rapes occur with somebody the victim already frequents. So that's like saying "This guy always carries a gun, so I'm gonna wait three dates and see he's not a maniac before going to his place. That way I'll be sure he won't shoot me."

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However, about the dinner part: If the guy's meeting the girl for the first time, going to his place for dinner is not safe for the girl. I don't have anything against it but as a 1-3 date rule, I never do. I need to see this guy's not a maniac from a safety point of view.
Except that most rapes occur with somebody the victim already frequents. So that's like saying "This guy always carries a gun, so I'm gonna wait three dates and see he's not a maniac before going to his place. That way I'll be sure he won't shoot me."
And where are the statistics on that? Your reasoning doesn't make any sense nor is it to be taken as advice because guess what? Meeting a stranger from online to in person carries a risk and all females should take that into consideration when they set up dates. And if the man is gentleman enough and understanding, will meet wherever is most comfortable and safe for her. At the end of the day, it's men that are physically stronger and females the victim 99.99% of the time.


Try telling your daughter, "Oh, honey you're meeting him for the first time at his place? Go right ahead!"
His picture could be fake. And there could be a whole gang of guys waiting at his place. Who knows.

If a man isn't willing to meet me in public in daylight, then the date's off.


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However, about the dinner part: If the guy's meeting the girl for the first time, going to his place for dinner is not safe for the girl. I don't have anything against it but as a 1-3 date rule, I never do. I need to see this guy's not a maniac from a safety point of view.
Except that most rapes occur with somebody the victim already frequents. So that's like saying "This guy always carries a gun, so I'm gonna wait three dates and see he's not a maniac before going to his place. That way I'll be sure he won't shoot me."
And where are the statistics on that? Your reasoning doesn't make any sense nor is it to be taken as advice because guess what? Meeting a stranger from online to in person carries a risk and all females should take that into consideration when they set up dates. And if the man is gentleman enough and understanding, will meet wherever is most comfortable and safe for her. At the end of the day, it's men that are physically stronger and females the victim 99.99% of the time.


Try telling your daughter, "Oh, honey you're meeting him for the first time at his place? Go right ahead!"
His picture could be fake. And there could be a whole gang of guys waiting at his place. Who knows.

If a man isn't willing to meet me in public in daylight, then the date's off.
All you need is here:
http://www.mincava.umn.edu/documents/sexoff/sexoff.html

More likely location of rape: at the victim's home (in 37% of the cases).
About two-thirds of the victims age 18-29 had a prior relationship with the rapist, more likely to be an acquaintance (57%) than family (8%).

A guy who wants to rape you won't mind waiting 2-3 dates and play the gentleman, the cases of the guy dressed in black who's gonna jump on you in the streets or the internet weirdo who's gonna put a fake picture to lure you in his house are just exceptions. Not to scare you or anything, but at the end of the day you have no way of telling whether a guy is going to rape you, until he actually does.

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All you need is here:
http://www.mincava.umn.edu/documents/sexoff/sexoff.html

More likely location of rape: at the victim's home (in 37% of the cases).
About two-thirds of the victims age 18-29 had a prior relationship with the rapist, more likely to be an acquaintance (57%) than family (8%).

A guy who wants to rape you won't mind waiting 2-3 dates and play the gentleman. Not to scare you or anything, but at the end of the day you have no way of telling whether a guy is going to rape you, until he actually does.
Eating healthy and exercising reduces your risks of developing diabetes. It doesn't guarantee you won't develop diabetes, but it reduces your chances.
At the end of the day, this is about risk reduction and prevention.

What's an acquaintance? A person she's met once or twice? And when did the rape happen? On first meeting, second meeting, third meeting? If you want to go into detailed statistics to prove your point.


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All you need is here:
http://www.mincava.umn.edu/documents/sexoff/sexoff.html

More likely location of rape: at the victim's home (in 37% of the cases).
About two-thirds of the victims age 18-29 had a prior relationship with the rapist, more likely to be an acquaintance (57%) than family (8%).

A guy who wants to rape you won't mind waiting 2-3 dates and play the gentleman. Not to scare you or anything, but at the end of the day you have no way of telling whether a guy is going to rape you, until he actually does.
Eating healthy and exercising reduces your risks of developing diabetes. It doesn't guarantee you won't develop diabetes, but it reduces your chances.
At the end of the day, this is about risk reduction and prevention.

What's an acquaintance? A person she's met once or twice? And when did the rape happen? On first meeting, second meeting, third meeting? If you want to go into detailed statistics to prove your point.


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All you need is here:
http://www.mincava.umn.edu/documents/sexoff/sexoff.html

More likely location of rape: at the victim's home (in 37% of the cases).
About two-thirds of the victims age 18-29 had a prior relationship with the rapist, more likely to be an acquaintance (57%) than family (8%).

A guy who wants to rape you won't mind waiting 2-3 dates and play the gentleman. Not to scare you or anything, but at the end of the day you have no way of telling whether a guy is going to rape you, until he actually does.
Eating healthy and exercising reduces your risks of developing diabetes. It doesn't guarantee you won't develop diabetes, but it reduces your chances.
At the end of the day, this is about risk reduction and prevention.

What's an acquaintance? A person she's met once or twice? And when did the rape happen? On first meeting, second meeting, third meeting? If you want to go into detailed statistics to prove your point.
My point is, waiting 2-3 dates is as much risk reducing as deciding not to fly a plane so as to reduce the risk of transportation accident.
As for the stats, do the search yourself, you'll go to bed a smarter lady.

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