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This is not an example of a double standard unless OP was already familiar with that book, condoned that book, or wrote that book. "Women" isn't one person and this site isn't the manosphere.

Well, she is accusing us of using manipulative magic tricks which is pure conjecure on her part

If she reads the forum, it's mostly about experienced guys telling guys to be normal and be attractive. Instead of this 12 year old outdated Mystery stuff that is forever tarnishing self help.

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Depends on the circumstances. Look, if you're a student trying to ends make meet at part time jobs, look, a woman can't bitch about the price tag. But if you're a professional, well, I'd expect you to try harder than a pizza.

I've read that black book written by Neil Straus. Think it was called The Game, or something like that. Those are quite a lot of tricks. Book was redundant and mostly was aimed at getting as many lays as possible. Thought it was kind of disgusting.

Thats a really negative view of how you think women are seeing you. The women I date, if I pay for a drink, are thinking "Great, he likes me" not "Thats what he was supposed to do to get my time." If you really think that a woman is reading the situation or may read the situation like that, then maybe look at the types of women you're dating. I go out with chicks who are into me, not the ones who think like that. I'd say most if not all of my dates, the woman offers to pay, and when I pay for the drinks, she insists on paying for the next thing.

Tbh, most women dont want you to pay because they think their time is worth more than yours.

It's a drink.

She's not getting dressed up and spending an hour putting on makeup to nab a free martini. Heck, the amount she pays to park her car probably costs more at the end of the drink. This "buying shit" just sounds like the money is this big deal, which I dont get.

We have summer interns at my company. Every year, I ask a couple (guys or girls) to lunch, where I get to know them, talk about career stuff and goals. At the end I pay for the whole thing. Now, if one of these interns were to think I payed for their time, they'd be crazy. I make more than they do, I'm senior, and I'm doing them a favor. And I was the one who invited them out. I'm doing a nice thing for them, and there is nothing they can do for me. Same way I approach dating. If I pay, its just a nice thing with no expectations from it. Its not a big deal.

In dating, things arent 50/50. In most cases YOU'LL have to approach. In most cases YOU'LL have to ask her out. In most cases YOU'LL have to make the first move. And if you see those things as 50/50 you'll limit your success. So if you see it as "buying her shit" and her thinking a drink means she's worth more than you, fine, but you dont think that asking her out means to her she's worth more than you as well? You dont think trying to fuck her means she's worth more than you as well? As a man, you make the moves and mostly push the shit along. Doesnt really make sense to become feminist all of a sudden when a $5 drink comes along. Thats just cheap. Because before all that, when you asked her out and approached her, you werent thinking about whether she thinks your actions mean she's worth me. If anything, its just cowardly to pull most of the weight up to that point, and when money gets involved go feminist for a bit, then you want to go back dominant to get her home. Its just cheap. If its 50/50, fine, that case, wait for chicks to make the first move more.

Yes, like I said...Out dated and nobody does that crap anymore... (I.E. it's in the past along with VCR players)

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Side note...I still dont get how people get that from the Game. Quotes from the book:
I mean, do people NOT understand the purpose of a character arc in a story? Do people read Fight club and then think the guy is telling you to start a Fight Club?

Nvm

Pay to play I'm pretty just started with Call of Duty like three years ago. There's never a need to pay. If you go for the SNL you will never be paying for shit. The moment you pay, you are telling her that your time is worth less.

Same morons who think pickup requires honesty.

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Okay. Good luck finding your Victoria's Secret model who's also a lawyer, has a great personality, great cook, cleans your house, and gives you great wild sex. Good luck getting that for free.


So, it's totally okay for men of any attractiveness level to aim for 8s, 9s and 10s. Totally okay and acceptable. But God forbid you shell out $10.

This whole forum is based on picking up attractive women. I have yet to find a post where a guy goes, "I'm really interested in this overweight girl that's like a 5 in the face".

No.

Myself, and the other posters do NOT agree with paying for a woman's time. If this is how you see yourself, then might as well go full prostitute. That Victoria secret model you describe, guys can get that by bringing things to the table as well, none of that having to be money to feed her. Theres a difference between saying you couldnt date an attractive lawyer because you're broke and your lifestyles dont match, and saying what you are saying, that you need to pay for this woman. Seriously, if a guy has to spend money on you to get with you, you may want to start a new profession.

I'm starting to understand why this guy didn't want to shell out any cash. Personally, if it doesn't put a dent in my funds, I'm fine with paying for shit but I won't do it for someone who feels entitled. I'm seeing that the guy was actually willing to put in time and cook for you and the whole time you've been unappreciative. Both of you guys seem to lack some social skills.

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Uh, no. Put in time to cook for me? You mean spaghetti and water that I could have done at home? Because that's what I drove an hour for. And then waited another hour for. But you know, me driving 1 hour, waiting 1 hour, that's not factored into the equation. He did obviously a lot more for me with this $2.99 dinner.

Men value attractiveness in a woman. Women value security in a man.

Secondly, what bugged me was the whole, I'll cook you this, that, all those promises. That's called a liar, also.

Then why are you still on here? Most men that come on this forum are struggling with finding women. If you were that successful with women, you wouldn't be on here. Men gathered on this forum for one reason and one reason only- struggling to get dates.

Paying for a woman's time? When you buy your buddies drinks, is that also paying for their time?

Paying for a woman's time? Hm, I guess $10 is really out of the budget for a lot of you.

A prostitute is a hell of a lot more to pay for than a drink. And she won't give you a conversation either.

But, hey, I can make prejudiced conclusions too and say- all men that frequent pick up artist forums are only about getting laid and not developing actual, true emotions and commitment with a woman.

Both neo87 and JackZero hitting it out of the park as usual.

DJ_Z, you should really pay attention to what neo87 was saying to you. How he quoted his post made it look like he was responding to DA, but he was actually responding to you.

Also, I've been getting bad vibes from OP whenever she's been trying equate the amount of money a man spends with the effort he's putting in. Spending money and putting in effort are entirely different things.

I agree that people shouldn't be cheap and that they should put in effort when dating, but those two aren't the same thing and those who see them as the same thing might not be mature enough for healthy relationships.

It's easier to understand where she's coming from if you consider the exact situation she was in, though. Like I already said before, it seemed like a pretty extreme case of cheapness.
There would be no point to this forum if there weren't experienced men like neo87 to give advice to less experienced men like most of our users. Also, a lot of us started out as very unsuccessful with women, worked on ourselves, and became successful with women. And we feel a need to help others achieve the same thing out of compassion.