Exactly, your point is improving your success rate, and I'm telling you what has work the best for me, and from what I have read, other PUAs.

Of course ANY METHOD can work, but most of us are not that blessed genetically. I'm around a lot of women, and they usually point out guys like that. It's like 1 out of every 100. And even then it's completely their taste.

4/4 is not a good sample size, but I looked back in my early days of approach, and most of my failures were sound like these 4. And the success I had sound the opposite. I do much better now not focusing on the number, building some sort of connection with that person, enjoying the time I have with them in that moment and not worrying about when I'll meet them or have sex or whatever. So tell me in your exp Jack, which works more often than the other? Because then we can stack it with or against my evidence since the OP doesn't have enough of his own.

The thing that I've learned is that what works for one guy consistently will probably never work for another guy. The reason because of this is that everyone is different. One guy can get a phone number and be confident that nothing can stop him from that point and another guy can get a smile from a girl and know exactly what to do from there.

If you want to know from my experience...the opener does not matter. It's your response to the reaction you get from the opener that actually matters. Getting a "no" after asking for a phone number initially doesn't mean that she won't give you the phone number within the next few minutes or the next hour.

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Yeah try it out some more. I like to think of it like this.. Have you had girls of her caliber call you hot? Have you had girls of her caliber come to a blind date to meet you because a friend showed her your picture? Do you get eye contact from girls on her level consistently? If so you can prob get away with opening like that. If not then your chances of that landing is low. But still try it some more and play around with it.

JackZero is right.

By the way, women often times, when interested, are the ones who initiate the approach, through body language. They look at you a couple of times for a little more than usual, sometimes they smile. This is her way of inviting you to approach. The problem is: some guys are inept at understanding this.

Anyway, I agree with JackZero, except that I don't believe that you must be very attractive to pull it off. However, you can't appear from nowhere. Before all the crap you say, you need to look at her while she's looking at you. If you're able to maintain eye contact for a couple of seconds (until they look down) and smile, if she does the same, or looks down, you're in.
Whenever you approach, say anything and, like JackZero said, have the wit to follow through. The real magic about being able to pick up women (and everything else in life) isn't really what you say, but how you say it. By developing a body language that's congruent what your words, showing confidence, bravo, you're able to achieve what you want.

Do you believe that most successful guys at anything are successful because of poor confidence? No. They're able to maintain strong eye contact, coolness under pressure, being optimistic, whatever. That's what you want to be and that's why so many PUA material is a load of crap. Cubes, ESPs, whatever are a load of crap. Confidence is everything.

Ya... we are all now talking about different things. Jack is correct, but in order to get past the point of an initial rejection you cant just sit there with no game and keep asking for her #... you'd have to progress in the fashion I tried to explain.

TBH, my initial reaction was that I disagreed with the statement of reading more on pickup and if he did that he would know that this opener wouldn't work. I was explaining that if he got out in the field he could learn to adjust his opener because of his successes and failures. I even went as far as explaining that the initial opener didn't matter and it's how a guy reacts to her response. So I'm not sure how we're talking about different things when this statement is just echoing the things I've already said.

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You're perspective is distorted. You're implying I said if he read, he'd know to never try his opener because others said it wouldn't work. I never said that. I hoped OP will read to learn the field tested and theoretical why behind his results (not that theory isn't flawless) that others before his time have tried and tested and found valid/invalid.

I am sure I've read somewhere anything can work, which is what you're saying. But on average, when you are new, like OP, the approach he is taking is not going to work. The only time you can get to that point of using the opener he is, is after a ton of field exp and having rock solid confidence and game.

The key concept you're referring to - reactivity - is explained in RSD material. I know anything can work, not just from experience, but because every guy whose material I READ had their own style. At the end of the day, to discourage reading or learning regardless of the topic makes no sense whatsoever. There is no reason not to do both.

Isn't that exactly what you said though? I can't quote but it was pretty clear thats what you said

Do you see how you are moving in circles? You told him there is no need to test it out because you and other guys have already tried it and then turn around and say your experience and the things that you've read that anything can work.

If anything can work, why crack open a PU book? Regardless, most pickup books are bullshit because they teach techniques that isn't suited to the individual and will move a guy to incongruence and being uncalibrated. I guarantee you that a guy that went out and approached, posted how he approached and his results, and then getting feedback. He'll be more true to himself and since it is more interactive, it'll the feedback will make much more sense then the stuff that gets blown out of proportion by mainstream pickup.

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There are no circles, just people seeing things from their own viewpoints. If you read one sentence, focus on that and forget about the rest of the picture, of course you get lost.

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OP is clearly inexperienced with girls given his post and question. He's asking how to improve his results. He tried 4 times with the same method. He failed 4/4 times.

I said there is no need to test this because it's been tested before and written about, hence my suggestion to read. I didn't say give up the method and stop using it if it works for him (obviously not the case) - which are the words you're putting into my mouth. I called it 'terrible' given his background and also because of what I've read and because it hasn't given me good results. I know for a fact most other men with no game will do something close which will put him in that pile. Is that a good thing? I explained why I think it's a terrible method given the OP's background information and my exp - I never said to never use this method.

OP - don't crack open another book to expand your horizons. Just keep going out asking girls for their numbers straight up - don't consider learning anything about the girl or working on your verbal game. You'll eventually get to masterPUA status by hammering away at those # requests. Anyway, it's way easier to just hand women a pen/paper or your phone and if they don't appease you just next them. Don't consider possibly gaining some new insight by learning from something someone else has tried by reading.

Since we are throwing in examples here's one; A buddy of mine and I went to new Orleans a few years ago, and I managed to get a handful of #s. I essentially just went up to the woman and asked for their #, like you. My buddy, approached only 1 woman, and focused on her. Guess which one of us had more relative 'success'?

With your guys logic, we should stop chatting on this forum because everyone's method of attracting women will be unique to them and therefore you can't learn or gain anything helpful by reading anything here because it won't work for us. You're repeatedly responding as if I implied he shouldn't approach at all because I called this method terrible and adjust his approach to fit specific PUA literature verbatim - both ridiculous.

And to my point, you're referencing RSD almost word for word....

LMAO. You don't get it or you're just focusing too much on one sentence.

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