Okay, I was going to post it in the Day 2 forum but since this is a MAJOR sticking point of mine, I want to get it resolved right away. Phone Game!!!!!!!

As a bit of background, I was an AFC for most of high school, in college I crashed and burned for 2 years before I really started learning about seduction and PUA methods... I've been with a girl for a year after that, but I smell trouble coming and I want to get my game tight in case we do break up, I could be ready to game up other girls without having to play catch-up. I like Ross Jeffries' method, it sounds tough but after a couple weeks of practice, TODAY it seemed to work really well! (I don't know what you guys think, is Jeffries a really effective method in your opinion? I wanted to use Mystery method too, but I don't go to bars that much, so some of his gambits kinda out of place on campus.)

I had this conversation with a girl that I met in an elevator at college today. Convo was pretty dry for the first couple of sentences, but then she mentioned she was a drama major, and then I busted out Ross Jeffries's Actor Pattern (with a few changes to fit the situation of course) and she agreed with what I said 100% (though maybe I could have projected it better).

Then she asked me for my name, then I asked hers (so I think the Actor pattern generated some interest), then it was on to a few "normal" topics, like what year are you, where are you from, etc., then I thought [*if I keep this lame thread going, I'm going straight to Friend-Zone HELL!*] so then decided to spice up the conversation with Ross's "attraction vs. love" pattern. It got her interested, and again she admitted what I said was totally true, almost as if she thought I might have ESP or something.

SHE then offered to look me up on Facebook when I had to leave. I said "gimme your email, it will be easier... but seeing as she had nothing to write it on, she said "do you have a cell phone on you? I took this as meaning she wanted to give me her number... she was unsure at first so I pretended to agree with her (yeah, I don't usually give out my number either!, etc.) Then I busted out some sarcasm "I'm only gonna call you 10,000 times and leave tons of annoying messages!" She broke out in giggles and started asking how she should enter the number (she seemed to really want to give it to me now.) SO I told her, and I got her number.
I said I got to go, she said she had a class, then I think she said "call me sometime", I only said seeya later, she said "it's been nice meeting you, bye" (already it looks like she's telegraphed more interest than I did).

But now I am totally confused on how to run some PHONE GAME on her! Like, I keep hearing different things from every PUA about how all the other PUA's don't know shit about good phone game, etc. It's nuts!

Now, I made that seem long, but the whole thing took like 2 minutes, to my knowledge there was not a whole lot of DHVing and practically no rapport. Just the 2 Jeffries patterns, the innocence/sarcasm bit with the # close, and with the lame "what do you do" details that you always have to get through (though this let me know she was involved in drama, which let me use the Actor pattern). As this was my first sarge in a while where I actually used these patterns, I felt great, but now I am in serious need of getting my phone game fixed before I call her!

MY PHONE GAME HAS SUCKED BIG TIME in the past, and though I have tried to sound interesting, it's not so much what to say, but HOW should I say it to a girl who barely knows me, there's no time for rapport, we both had to leave and I didn't want to look needy following with her... I'm trying to convey that I am a high value guy with a life of his own who isn't always trying to drag out every approach. But in this case the approach was so SHORT!!! how do I do good phone game without any rapport? (I did not give her my number yet, so maybe I could be mysterious, but HOW do I do it?)

BTW, at college, many of my approaches/#closes have been really short like this one, about 75% of the time I run into girls that are going home or to study hall or to their next class, I can get numbers but phone game always kills me. So guys, do you have any good phone game tactics for following up ridiculously short approaches?

Your phone game sucks b/c you do fast number closes. Fast number closes can work if you get a lot of them. Here's an example.

You fast close 30 girls but only 10 pickup the phone and 1 goes on a day 2. OR

You do a longer more meaningful approach almost every girl picks up and you day 2 about 30-40% of them

I suggest you stick to more meaningful approaches. Screw playing the numbers game. Quality over quantity.

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Hey how we all doing? Your phone game doesn't suck do to your approaches if you do the approach well all of the 30 numbers will pick up the phone or at least not be flakes even if it is done in thirty seconds as a woman decides in thirty seconds if she will sleep with you or not. While this can be changed it takes effort and good game.

Now if you wish to fix your phone game follow through with the following challenge that is a paste from the lair calgary social


Hey how we all doing?

Many peoples phone game sucks and through this challenge I am going to try and help the newer guys out. If you are good at phone game please insert on this challenge as well as it will give the gentlemen of this lair something to aspire to.

Limiting Beliefs>

Texting is easier>>>
BULLSHIT are you dumb what do you think every other chode does call? No they text so if you call it sets you aside.
Vocal tendencies of yours and your intuition on them are used in all game whether it be the club day or work it doesn't matter and just like with everything else the more you practice the better you will become.
As vocal is used in both phone and all other aspects of game it will help you progress quicker and more efficiently.

I need something cool to do>
Fuck that wing it see where it goes but just like opening don't be needy dont be a beggar take control

I don't know what to say>
Same with when you open EXPERIMENT and you will receive feedback and knowledge.

With that being said the challenge follows

1) No Text game
2) Call all your numbers the next day
3) Type the conversation and post asking questions or staing what you think is good and bad

Game on, Can you handle the challenge?


ChowforNow,

the--------------------------------------->Saint

"Whether or not you agree with his harsh, straight to the point mentality, truth be told, he’s the most active/ dedicated / motivating member on this board. He’s routinely getting newbies and current members out sarging, pushing them into sets, given them suggestions and advice, replying to posts more often then anyone else. (Come out Wednesdays and you’ll see what I mean). Also, I have not once heard him making excuses about not going out and pussying out. If anyone else can show me this, I will automatically promote you to any status that you want on this board. (including admin).

Now .. I (and others) .. have tried a more sugar coated / feel good approach to getting guys to come out. Truth be told, it hasn’t worked anywhere close as well. I'm disappointed that with all the free resources, and the cool guys that we have offering free advice, so few people actually make use of it, go out consistently, and get better with women, instead of dabbling and keyboard jockeying."

"How did it start?Well, I don't know.I just feel the craving.I see the flesh and it smells fresh.And it's just there for the taking."

"Looking at my own reflection When suddenly it changes Violently it changes Oh no there is no turning back now You've woken up the demon in me"

"Only see, somehow it always seems that I'm learnin' or something I can never be It doesn't matter to me, 'cause I will always be that pimp I see
in all my fantasies I don't know your fucking name.So what?
Let's.fuck"

"Scrutinize every word, memorize every line
I spit it once, refuel, re energize, and rewind
I give sight to the blind, mind sight through the mind

I recommend moderation. Don't make the closes too fast but somewhere in between. Try to use a time constraint. Don't spend too much time. You want to keep her keen.