I'm reading posts about how NLP is bs and all, so I can only assume that there is progress being made, yet I cannot find any books. What books would you recommend a socially inept person to read, absorb, and apply?

1. Books on building confidence / alpha
2. Books on flirting
3. Books on conversing
4. Books on how to be a better man
5. Books on how to stop being.. well, I'll make up an acronym here if it doesn't already exist, a NLB (needy little b****).

I've went through the forum here, and so far I'm half way through the "classic" The Game - Penetrating the Secret Society. What else had a huge impact on you?

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+ Any Robert Greene's book

+ Doc Love's - The System

+ The Way of the Superior Man - David Deida

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Thanks @Cross De Lena. I read the links in both of your signatures.. You and J.Daniels are the man, thank you guys for creating those threads.

Cool. I read the seduction book by Greene. The other great book by him on power is in my to-read list. I'll check out The System and The Way of the Superior Man. These are all great. What else?

1. Books on building confidence / alpha "how to be the Alpha male"

2. Books on flirting - " Double your dating"

3. Books on conversing :"foundations of building attraction"

4. Books on how to be a better man - too ambiguous

5. Books on how to stop being.. well, I'll make up an acronym here if it doesn't already exist, a NLB (needy little b****) roccomendation #1 or #2

I hate Robert Greene and david Daeta but if someone finds value in that then more power to them

Thanks man, this is a great list. By number 4 I meant general/misc self improvement.. Stuff like 7 Habits of Highly Successful People or First Things First.

no one can tell you how to be a better person unless you want to follow some predetermined dicta like the bible or some authoritative tome.

The process of becoming a "better" person is subjective, so only you can determine what you want to accomplish to be a "better" person. I would recommend books for goal setting, process, and habit formation to make you more productive and accomplished in what you determine is "better"

For that I would say anything by Brian Tracey, "triggers" by Goldsmith, and "The power of habit" by Charles Duhigg, are great too. These are in large part just more logical process orientated books than say the looser and more desultory Anthony Robbins/Wayne Dryer stuff

Gold.

I will read those as well and apply what I learn.

Question, who wrote "Foundations of Building Attraction?" I can't find that book.

sorry I meant "foundations for generating attraction" tby swingcatt and its probably the best book ever written on midgame. However I would look for the torrent for the mp3 audio series. Everyone knows that if you try to buy a Swinggcat product online it will never get delivered although you will be charged for it.

Brian Tracey also has these audio books that are really good if you travel to your work / school. I was one hour away from my school so that's two hours of listening to useful information. Usually people just stare trough window or something, I though I could make my time better spent this way.

Audio books OP

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For once on these vid /book/instructor threads can someone say how their recommended books helped them? Its like I know Models is supposed to be good but I have no idea what actual results these books provide. Are people just reading these books and calling them great and then sharing the list. If I recommend a workout program, I'd say use x program.. I gained 15lbs of muscle in a month from it.

It's quite difficult to measures results of books regarding self-help or pick-up. You can't gain 15 points of confidence by reading it.

But, I didn't hear anyone saying that reading books is waste of time. If one implements the ideas provided in these books and try them out, then you got the winning combination. Just reading them is indeed, a waste of time, don't you think so?

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How is this difficult? If you've learned something and its benefit you, you should be able to describe how. It could be "I feel more confident after reading X, and my interactions are going better." Or "X taught me to make moves quicker, I have been trying that and I'm getting more success." If someone can't describe how the book/vid has helped them, why recommend it? If you change to a new workout plan, you should be monitoring how your body reacts to it and how it is helping you. If after a while, you cant say how it helped you, thats fine...but in that case you shouldnt be recommending it. I would be doing you a disservice if i recommended something to you and couldnt say how it has helped me. If I dont have a general idea of how it helped me, why am I recommending it? Because it makes sense? It sounds good? Other people think its good? I see all these threads on books and videos and rarely if ever know how these books and vids are helping someone. I hear they're good, I hear they helped me, but no one says how. Its like amazon reviews where people give it 5 stars but no one says what they got from it. If no one can say how these books are helping them, are they really?

Excellent, thanks.
Yes, I mostly listen to audio books when going to school

I have a feeling you take this way to personally, or whats the reason you are being so defensive? I even agree with you to some extent, but knowledge is power, and its what you do here on forums, right? You type words, if you could compress all the things you wrote here in a book, would you said that everything you typed is worthless? No.

For me, books motivated me to research more, to delve deeper into what makes a women tick, it made me "more bold" or at least I taught so in the beginning, when I was rejected I remember there is at least one quote in every one of these books that says don't take rejections personally and tell you how to deal with it.

Also, I don't quite get what is you agenda behind this sheme in which you are trying to speak ill of reading books.


Sorry, I still like your posts and you offer valuable advice on this forum which I respect, but you denying that there is no "use" or otherwise waste of time (reading) is something I'll never agree on you with.

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Please reread what I wrote. I never said anything ill of reading books. I never said or even implied that it was a waste of time reading books. My writing style is full of questions Im thinking out loud, so maybe you're seeing an agenda or defense from assuming I'm posing them to you directly. They're not.

I'm not talking about reading books, I'm talking about recommending books, videos, a car, a lawyer, anything. I'm saying imo, that the basis for recommending something should be that it benefited me in some way. This is the only pt I make here. To answer your question on whether if I condensed my posts to a book, if I'd consider it worthless, yes if no one could say it helped them in some way. I believe my advice is only as good if it is actually helping people, not if it sounds good or makes sense. If I'm going to recommend a car to you, it should be because I can tell you what I got from driving it. If I'm going to recommend an iphone, I should be able to tell you what I got from having an iphone. Hopefully this is not some crazy concept. I should have some general idea of how the product helped me, and if I dont, I should disclose that. gotta run but hopefully you get that I have no issue with you reading, just saying that I rarely if ever hear anything about how these books/videos help. Which should be what they are for. Just that they do, go read them.

I expected the response to my pt on recommendations would be clarification on how these books helped you, or the people who recommended them. Like "The system helped me with my approach anxiety and handling rejection." Its like asking how these books helped the recommenders=attacking readers. I dont dislike these books, I just want to know how they help people. Because I never see that. Ive seen Models recommended but cant tell you how its helped the people who recommend it. None of this should offend you or anyone. Hopefully you get what Im talking about; that the most important thing of any advice, book, video or product is how it helps someone. And that part is often left omitted when it should be shared.

Ive met so many guys from the comm in person who recommend 60, Manson, daygame.com etc, and I when I ask them how its helped them, they say "Oh, Im still trying to use it, it doesnt work for me, but he gets laid by 10's with it." And I would think why recommend something then if it hasnt worked for you? Its not that Im trying to shit on their material, I'm genuinely curious to hear their positive experiences with someone's material. I would watch these guys recommend to someone else, who reads it, it doesnt work for them either, yet they go on to recommend it to the next guy. I cant tell you how many guys in my city push RSD, yet none can say it works for them. But it gets passed on to the next guy..and the next guy. Now I try to be optimistic and that everyone who recommends here has had books/vids/instructors help them. I just wish they shared how, same for any other recommended product.