None of this means a thing. Your excuses are wrapped in excuses and your "ifs" are wrapped in more "ifs". You are antisocial, prefer video games to real life, and looking for shortcuts. It's not a mix for seduction.

I've said this before and I didn't come up with it on my own, but the key elements to seduction are attract, comfort, and then seduce. The first two of those things are social skills. They can be direct, indirect, and even unspoken...but if you don't develop some kind of skillset in both attraction and comfort, you will never be able to get the validation you are looking for with women. You just have to have the fire to do it. I can tell by every defeatist statement that you say, you don't have the fire for it.

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Well it's not really an option for me to not do it. Is some guy's mind genetically more inclined to make him an expressive and social person who attracts more attention from women with his charm? Too bad for me? I say no, lol. I want what I want, and I'll get it in the way I want to. Not that I don't appreciate the opinion, but it's simply not something I'm going to give up on. The entire "game" thing is tied into everything. Jobs are gained or lost completely reliant on social graces. Technical skill isn't even in the equation, as anything is easy to do given enough time and effort. As a means to live my life, past simply getting women in bars, I have to learn how to mind fuck those who are mentally less prepared than I am and get ahead of them, or I'LL be the one on the bottom. And I can't stand that!

There is always hookers you sadistic fuck

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You're here lecturing me on game and you're really not in the position to do that. Get some success in the game and then come back and explain anything that I'm trying to help you with as being wrong.

I've explained in an elaborate thread in the past about how I didn't like women and that was my biggest hinderance in being able to get women. I'm talking to you from experience and not what "I think" the game is about. Your problem is a problem that a lot of men have and we see it on this site over and over again and your saying all the things those guys say. Their issues don't get resolved. They are not successful with women and then they start crying about how PU doesn't work.

Get out of the mentality that you have to mindfuck people to get what you want. There are real seductive ways to getting what you want, the women won't regret you, and they'll keep coming back.

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I am self-aware and I see people around me succeed or fail based solely on their social interactions. I know this shit works, and I know I'm not getting it done or understanding it. Most times I come off sounding like a retarded person in conversations, and I pay dearly for that. The only real thing I reinforce for myself is giving up is NOT an option, not matter how worthless I am at social interaction. I have to keep pushing, no matter what. If I stayed at home playing games on nights where I could be going out and meeting women like I used to, that would most certainly be a recipe for suicide at this point. I have to get it done.

You think like Sisyphus. Instead, why not try to gain wisdom from people who know what works and why it works? You're trying to reinvent the wheel when you have access to guys with jetpacks.

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Right, well that's what I came here to do, in spirit. New ideas to replace my worthless methods that aren't working. Most forums I visit usually end up becoming another form of escapism, so I'd like to spend as little time as possible talking about how utterly disgusted and fucking pissed I am with everything in my life, but it comes up from time to time. Would rather focus active change.

Focus on active change requires that you recognize the underlying issues.

1. You hate women
2. You want shortcuts
3. You are seeking validation
4. You resent people that have the success you want
5. You're antisocial
6. You're scared to take the required steps
7. You view seduction as some kind of battle

Every single one of those things are barriers to your success. You have to conquer these things before you're ready for the next thing. I bet you that if you just went out with the intention of befriending ten women, at least one of those women are going to want to fuck you and the rest are going to try to make sure that you get fucked. All of the other issues you have will start to disappear. It's just putting in the work and having the right mindset to approach people.

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I've been scrolling through your post... There's something in the bigger picture that needs to change.

You clearly have no social skills. You seem to be admitting that.

Now what are you doing to fix it? Do you have a job where you talk to people a lot?

You don't seem to be making much effort to talk to girls... So are you at least doing things to build your social skills with other people?

Yes, I've recently made it a point to wear a nice dress shirt and pants to work instead of the normal polo and khakis that every other guy there wears. Just that alone seems to improve initial conversations. It is very easy to approach people that I give no shits about impressing, and one of my problems. I don't care about impressing them, therefore there is no immediate gratification, and I don't want to do it. But in recent months and weeks I've been trying to make my rounds instead of staying in my office the entire day. I try to get them talking about themselves, another thing I don't give two shits about, but they do. The more they talk about crap they love, the better the conversation goes. Again, I forego the instant gratification of getting something off my chest in a all but forced conversation so they can get the feeling instead, and improve the mood of the interaction. This is all talking with guys and old women, however.

Another thing I've tried is getting a combination of supplements that manage to let me act a bit more normal for a short period of time. At current, that's rhodiola rosea with ashwagandha root and caffeine. Anyway, I've been out on at least three or more occasions where I've managed to stay entertaining and energetic around a girl I was into, or talk to other girls in general. It in no way ever helps me close, or has not so far. But I can keep their attention, and in the end that's all they want, to be entertained. But without the close, it's just me playing the gracious host of free attention that women so readily eat up then leave just as quick with no second thought.

And I also have made it a point this week to look for any opportunity to offer help to people when they might need it. During which I will socialize here and there when it is appropriate. I guess another way of gaining someone's trust and bias for future interactions.

BUT... all that is SHIT... in my mind. Because I still have no pussy. Yet another demon I fight, the overwhelming desire for instant pussy, and the complete dismissal of anything as important if it doesn't lead to such a thing. I hesitate to call anything progress or feel like I've done anything at all when, at the end of the day, I'm still stuck with an unattended dick and a LONG list of meaningless communications from women, all synonymous with "no" or "fuck off".

So that's where I'm at. And so begins another Friday night.

Poor you

Last night, I had a gorgeous Pakistani/English girl in my bed. I got a lot of LMR and didn't seal the deal. Life isn't perfect for me right now.

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Congrats?

Thanks but not really I guess.

It's like all my hard work and dedication just didn't deliver last night. Oh well, shit happens I guess.

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I fucking hate when girls do that shit. It's like, why the fuck are you here then? Sometimes I'm just not in the mood to play along.

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I grew out of the dumb shit I used to say on here. Most of my posts don't represent who I am today at all.

I've been in at least one situation where the girl contacted ME from a dating website. Called me over to her house in the dead of night. Was pretty much begging to get fucked. Then she stops in the middle of getting ready to have sex because I pulled her shirt off a bit rough, and that was basically it. Fucking waste of my time.