I was thinking during daygme, and the like. I'll assume so, but I thought I'd ask, It's best to be mostly direct in general, after all.

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I wouldn't do that, but that's just me. from my experience when it comes to daygame, I have found the less provocative and scary you are to start with...the better response i get. I start off light and funny, until i get to the hooking point, then use lust and narrowed eyes techniques as I do a push-pull or just a rapport effect. It's just me, but that's my style...everyone is different and some guys can pull it off right from the start. Just like some guys can use a direct game 100% of the time, when I use it like 20% and indirect 80%.

hope this helps, I'm sure there's guys here that can go further into using it better than me.

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Hm... I suppose that it has been hard for me to get the hook point with women, given I haven't shown much enthusiasm. I guess it helps to show the right vibe, and I thought eyes might help me.

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I don't know if this will help you or not, but it sounds like you're running into the same roadblock I have. you're too intelligent for your own good. I think too much about what to do, what to do next, where the convo needs to go...instead of just letting it happen.

I found that if I just listen to the woman, stick to her words, and pay attention that she responds great. remember what she says, I've been told by many women that the fact that I remember what they said was a HUGE turn on for them. I don't have a photographic memory or anything, I just learned to pay attention.

and when you do that, you'll get on turned too. it's gotta be a mutual attraction, what you feel she will feel and vise-versa. dont worry too much about the eyes or the sticking point, because if you just pay attention to her you'll notice it almost psychically.

My grandfather summed it all up for me in just one sentence. "the first steps of a journey are the hardest to get momentum, after that your feet just carry you down the trail with little effort." so, may the wind be at your back and the sun in your face my friend

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Yeah... if I just could relax during the interaction, like the pros could, and nothing else. I just have to work to engage girls, I suppose, and let something happen. I do for a while, and then I let fear and doubt sabotage the momentum.

I suppose, it just has to be a choice to be reckless, and not worry about kino, but just focus on engaging, and flirting, and nothing else.

Sound about right?

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I would suggest you read Models by Mark Manson. It will explain it alot better than I can and it really opened my eyes. and it's a really decent read.

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I Might; it sounds good.

For the record, what you said about noting what a girl says: I talked to a girl manni a cash register, and some days later, I talked to her again, and surprised her I recalled that she had been to New York. Is that what you mean by 'listening"?

I think largely, I just am uncomfortable feeling lust; feel it in the interaction, I'm uncomfortable, and I balk. I guess that I need to let lust happen, and let the interaction happen, and if nothing happens on the other hand, let it it be.

Is that your advice, in a nutshell?

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Simple answer: Yes

I say go for it.

I've had too many stimulating conversations and the girl flakes anyway. I'm more of a risk creep type of guy. Also, when you shake hands with her, keep ahold of her hand and continue to talk. Girls barely notice this if you're engaging them.

If they pull their hand away, you can gauge her interest level.

I did this in Poland and got my 1st daytime make out and then sealed the deal next day. My rule is to go for the kiss/sex and not the number just so my goal is past the number.

Here is a video of "the look": http://youtu.be/pnQ7l7UhQTM

You can feel the sexual tension and how grounded his frame is. Love this scene. Great example of "the look"

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