Hey Fellas,

I'm a middle aged dude who dates mostly middle aged women (30-45) in Las Vegas (Stress City). I stopped dating (with any consistency) a few years back because I wanted to focus on starting a new life/career and that alone took up a lot of my mental/emotional energy. Now I want to get back to romance and dating if anything to relieve some stress.

Ok, So here's the deal.

I just went out on a few dates this weekend with some "7s".

Friday went pretty cool and I was able to "Kclose". I call it a soft K close because there was no tongue involved. We texted, we met up at a spot around the street from me and had a good time. Nothing was super romantic but I did something ok because she even accepted an invite to my house that same night/morning. She stayed for a few hours but said she had to get home to her kids.

That's Friday

Today, I just got back from a date with a teacher. She tested me for a last minute date which I rescheduled later that day. Honestly, she was boring but she had a nice butt (just keeping' it real). My gut feeling is she was not that attracted OR as attracted as SHE thought she would be. She kept messing' with her phone, talking to her kids. We ordered dinner and ate. The date lasted about an hour and a half and we didn't talk about any romantic shit. It was slightly above small talk. We talked about Vegas, Vegas people, I expressed my passion for where I came from, making music and being a computer geek. However, I felt like I was talking to a wall. She seemed very distracted though she kept the conversation going. I got tired and stopped talking and I have to say she did attempt to get the convo going again. We left and continued small talk while leaving the casino. I was walking her to her car but she said I didn't have to. We hugged and that was it. Right before the hug she mentioned something about "Yeah, this is one of those awkward moments". However, I initiated a "Non- Kiss" attempted Huh. Which means I subtly made it clear I wasn't going to kiss her.

That was it.

My thoughts - The date was OK.. with NO momentum. Maybe I just didn't care or she gave me nothing to work with?

What I think I'm gonna do next - Text her a day or two from now and say it was fun (lying). That's it.

Vegas is strange (I just moved here). Women are stressed and depressed here so it makes it harder for me to read them. Just now I was just texted by this other woman who said, "Hello you, I hope you had a wonderful weekend". This is the epedemy of "out of the blue" I wrote this woman off a week ago after she didn't reply back about confirming a date. Just to find out, She's Interested (just not interested enough).

Well, that's it.

Any suggestions would be cool.

If you're going to do dates, you need to learn how to get them talking about themselves and the things that they're interested in so that you can use that info to form a bond. Take that info and use it to your advantage because if she's talking about something she loves or has a passion about, you can join in and then lead the convo down a sexual/romantic route.

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Great advice. She loves her kids. That's pretty much what I got from her, however, is hard to find something "romantic" about someone's kids and wouldn't want to lol.

You: So besides hanging out with your kids, what else do you do for fun?

It's easy to get them talking. Just quit waiting for her to volunteer the information. Lead the conversation.

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Dreams, hopes and aspirations.

What did you want to become as a little girl?

What is your dream?

Make it about HER, not vegas people or vegas. Make her the centre of attention, because you know what?

Women LOVE attention.

With the girl on a date, maybe she was just too boring to talk to. As I see it, you did a lot of things OK, but she
was the way she was.

The only thing to do is play the PUA techniques to get her hot, if you're into that be my guest.

Learn a few techniques to get her hot, and then escalate.

I personally don't escalate if I don't feel a connection with a woman. Probably a consequence of not wanting
to be a a male gigolo anymore.

So it depends on what you want.

If you take FULL RESPONSIBILITY for your date, and you know exactly what you want, you'll get it.

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Great advice! Thank you!

This advice may not apply to you. But I'll put in my input and maybe it will be useful to you.

For me the best thing I learned about dating was to focus on things that I would find fun. For me this was crucial because I've gotton so used to always being focused on other people. Particularly in sales / business where I'm always asking about the other person (The Client) and not talking much about myself as that would be considered rude. Some men of course have the opposite problem. Yes this would make me seem polite, yes this would make me seem nice but it would hide my "edge".

Women / People tend to like me because of my Edge. My sarcastic / crass sense of humour. My ccrazy way of looking at the world. I also got used to supressing that because I know it can be very polarizing and scare some women away. Either you love it or hate it.

Those who hate it don't end up wasting both of our time. Those who love it tend to get attracted all the quicker. Ultimately I found it made women by majority I went out with more attracted because I say what I want, do what I want. And even "bad dates" are never bad dates. Because I always do what I want to have fun with the situation when there is obviously no chemistry. So basically not really dependant on the outcome of the date. Which makes me more relaxed and able to share those "good vibes". I'm ready to have fun with the moment regardless.

So personally in the case where the woman was looking at her phone all the time. I might have commented on that and made a joke about that for my own amusement. Either way she doesn't look engaged in the date, so might as well keep myself entertained since you are more or less on your own. (Aside from having someone in front of you who is not engaging)

So this all depends on your personality. If you're a polite person and a good listener this could be good advice. If you're not such a good listener and seem to talk too much about yourself this might not be the best advice. It's dependant on where on the polarity scale you are now.