I open up a group , I gain the girl' admiration but I tend to end up becoming the bestfriend because I always get physically rejected for being too short or not hot . If she isn't rejecting my kino does that mean I shouldn't listen and keep trying some DHV routines ? Or is it am doing something wrong ?

Anyone ?

Your title says she is rejecting physically but then your post contradicts and says she is into you

Keep it simple. If she gives you her attention, body language. Then you're pretty much free to touch her. If she backs off from a neutral non sleazy type of touch , you know you are dealing with a girl that could be wasting your time.

All the escalation you need to worry about is holding her hand. If she won't do that. She ain't gonna kiss/fuck you. Ever chatted to a girl for like 3- 5 hours in a bar/club and and then she ends up flaking on the phone number, it has happened to everyone. What a waste of time. To combat the time wasters you need to filter and find the girls that are into you. How do you know they are into you? She accepts your escalation.

You're thinking about this the wrong way, you are playing it safe. You want to approach rejection risk free. If you're not getting rejected then you're currently playing not to lose. Instead....PLAY TO WIN. You need to escalate strong, you need to embrace and risk rejection because that is where the rewards are going to be.

If you're indirect and talking to her about directions. Sure, it's pretty low risk on rejection. But it ain't gonna get you laid unless you have a 6 pack like RC.

If you tell a girl she is sexy and you try to play with her hands. Sure, the risk of rejection increases, but when you find a girl that is into and sexually available, a magical thing happens. That magical thing is called phone numbers that lead to dates/sex etc.

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The fact she says she doesn't perceive me as bf materiel because I am too short means nothing if she accepts my kino ? What do you mean by in the last paragraphe ?

Depends what you define as kino...

Are we talking about the useless.. touching her shoulder type kino here? Or mutually playing with each other's fingers? You are not doing the latter.

Girls are friendly, they will talk to you, they will let you touch them, they will give you their phone number. HOWEVER, doesn't mean they are going to fuck you.

If she is telling you are too short, sounds like a good reason to find another girl don't you think? Could be perceived as a shit test but I wouldn't worry about that for now until you learn how to escalate
- Dafuq? Stop thinking about girlfriends and boyfriends with strangers until you know them and have already seduced them. I am pretty sure most normal girls would agree with that.

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" untill you learn how to escelate " how do I escelate ? Dicarlo escelation lader ? I had breakfest with her and did the cube while holding both her hands the entire time in the restaurant ... she said afterwards I drained her . Is this the kino you're talking about ?

No using the cube, that's indirect kino

Ever seen those people walking down the street holding hands? Otherwise known as couples? That's real kino that gets you somewhere.

Apparently the vin di Carlo escalation is for noobs, but to me 80% of it is mental masturbation but maybe that's only because touching girls is one of my strengths.

Basic noob - you really should make it a rule to yourself to NEVER go for a phone number till before you have escalated or kissed her. That's what I did and it took me to the next stage.

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Anything else about escelation that can make it easier for me ?

Yes, be polite and thank the people that spend a lot of time giving a detailed reply. THEN, go out and try what you have learned and then update

Also, look up how to spell 'escalation'.

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Sorry , thanks a lot but your reply was discouraging ... It gave me an idea of how much work I should do to get somewhere . I have never had a kiss or a gf and this is becoming very tiring and unfaire when you compare me to the hot blonde 6ft 5 athlete . Never occured to me you wrote the reply for me btw ..most user here who answer havesome products for sale so what they do is copy and paste stuff from their materiel . Again thanks

Im not the type that sugar coats shit. I will tell it like it is. I don't have products to sell. If you knew me face to face, I would tell you the same stuff. Where did I compare you to a 6ft 5 blonde athlete? Seems like a conjecture statement to me...

You're only feeling discouraged because your putting too much pressure to be conquer the mountain. You should really think in baby steps up the mountain. What is currently stopping from getting laid? (Let's disregard inner game for the moment)

It is now derived that you haven't kissed a girl. So I'm going to assume you're a virgin? You kept that quiet, you should always mention this when you have any issue with women... In my experience this explains a lot with your problem to get sexually physical with a girl. On a scale of 1-10 how petrified are you of kissing, having sex?

Losing your virginity is scary. I can relate to that. I get the feeling that you're this solo loner. As lame as it sounds, do you have any pick up friends to go out with? Osmosis is a massive benefit. Seeing them do their thing, making out with chicks...You gotta see that stuff for yourself.

Okay, You're approaching girls which is the scariest step, you're doing routines which means you're actually interacting with girls which is makes me think you might have a chance at this.. They are talking back and letting you touch them.. But then the brick wall creeps on your when you come to that intimidating 'Oh my god, I know i have to make the move' but then you somehow sabotage yourself.

Look, to get laid, you're gonna have to make a move, which ever way you look at it. You seem to like your routines, after you're doing the Cube stuff, try a routine such as this for the kiss: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxUzo6NsS6Y The guy looks lame but I know what he is doing actually works. But feel free to google around 'How to kiss a girl' and develop something that you're happy with.

If you don't try, you won't get laid. Make that the goal next time you go out, Makeout with one girl. That is focus for the for the next time you go out. If you can't get kiss with in 3/4 'sarges' then you have some serious inner issues. There is no shame in going to see a pretty escort lady and get it out of the way. Hopefully that will make you much more comfortable getting frisky with a woman. I understand if you don't want to go this route, but I would consider it if that was the difference to finding a girlfriend or not.

Update this thread Monday, I expect some field reports. I am willing to help you but you have to make the effort and being polite to me helping won't hurt either.

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Hi guys , I am back .Finaly got my kiss , involved no Routines too. Asked her if she had a tissue , she obviously needed one too . Left , got a tissue , came back wiped some of her fingers with the tissue and started escelating ... where do I go from here ?

Are you literally typing this as you're sat with her?

Lead her to the next step. Your report lacks any detail. We don't even know where you are

The end goal is your bed room, so reverse the process from the end and see how you can lead it

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No it's over . I kissed her and she was kind of surprised about it . I wasn't intending anything more than a kiss with this one anyway . I am asking in general where do I go from here ? My goal was to initially kiss a woman ..what is my new goal ?

Get her to a place for Seduction

Have you actually read any material to do with pick up?

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