Hi,

I noticed that when I meet interesting hb or b, she always has a bf. When I had gf or k-close girl, they didn't had bf.
But the kind of women that especially fascinates me, yet unreachable for me, intelligent and ambitious, have bf for many years (!). You know, those whole years, it seems like marriage sometimes...

I build very good rapport with these girls, but often rather like ljbf. Recently I started to build attraction consiously by teasing, dhv etc., and kino. But I always have in mind that she has a bf and will do enything with me. And I sometimes even see that she will not respond physically, because she do not want t cheat on her bf.

It seems for me that I'll not be able to get this girls into relationship with me until my game will be very very good.

Should I forget about those girls and concentrate on gaming singles? Or show them that I'm the better choice?

Game the singles. It's true you can game married, engaged, or long term women, but more often than not you just have to fall into things with them. Right now you're setting yourself up for failure. Think of it like this.. just go for any girls that you see that you think you want and don't ask if they are married or single or whatever. If they are showing lots of IOIs continue forward and do your thing. If not, then drop it like it's hot. In the end, you may end up getting some girls who have long term BFs and you may not... but whatever you do, don't look at it like u have to go for a certain type of girl based on her availability. That is very limiting.

Thanks Dude,

It is not non-availability that I like, but certain type of character. Unlucky for me, these two are often correlated in my country.

But I'll not be obsessed with any of those girls anymore, and concentrate on just gaming and learning stuff. I hope that by this I will finally reach a level when these women will be willing to be with me rather with their bfs!

Be what he isn't.

Why men think women aren't just as susceptible to breaking off a long term relationship in search of something new (younger, more exciting, a few less pounds around the middle) is beyond me.

Style actually writes about Mystery dong this the very first night of Style's very first seminar. Mystery steals a girl from an aging celeb by providing subtle cues that he has what the celeb doesn't. In that case it was youth and excitement.

Excitement is usually one of the requirements for luring a girl away from her current man. Women are raised to be masters of social interaction. We learn a partner inside and out, and then we get bored, and convince ourselves that contentment is happiness.

We don't leave, of course. Society has trained us that it is our duty to make relationships succeed. Evolution has insured that it's in our best interest. Maintaining a relationship with a male increases the chances of survival for ourselves and our offspring.

However (especially for women without offspring) we're just as susceptible to the lure of a better deal as men are.

It's all about how you make her feel. If you can bring a sense of excitement, fun, intelligent conversation, unspoken understanding (or spoken, if you are any good at cold reads), then you can hook her.

She suddenly thinks you make her feel alive. She's never felt this way before. The relationship she's in is stale, and unlike him you get her. There's no excitement, no passion with him. This is fate. This is the reason she never married whats-his-name. Blah-blah-blah.

Women generally base things on emotions and instincts, and then search for logic to back it up. Chances are that once she starts having an interest in you, the problems with him will suddenly be blown out of proportion. Fighting will increase, and she'll eventually convince herself there is some deep seeded problem that justifies her chucking a long term relationship out the window.

Lure her with a better, more exciting option and then make her chase you. That's the key.

If your not interested in dating her then make sure you reach the S1-3 stages before she becomes too dissatisfied with the current partner.

Oh, and three side rules/suggestions:

1) Don't let her bitch to you about the current guy. Don't friend-zone yourself.
2) Make it clear that your a limited commodity. You go out with other girls, and you only hang out with her because she's cool, but your a busy man. If she doesn't act now, her chance may pass her by. And she'll regret it for the rest of her life.
3) Devaluing of her current partner has to be subtle, and is best achieved by placing your characteristics in opposition to the worst of his. (He's jealous, your not. He's boring, your not. He's shy, your not. The list goes on.) Anything else will look like pettiness and jealousy, and she'll be on to your game with full shields up in no time.

Good luck.

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hey guys

i read a post the other day, and i wish i could remember who wrote it to give them due credit, but i can't seem to remember which one of the guys it was.

anyways

a good bf killer is to

after she mentions she has a boyfriend

PUA: oh really? so whats it like to be in the perfect relationship?

now ask seriously so she doesnt think its a hit at her for being in an LTR

HB: its far from perfect

PUA: oh, and why's that?


HB: well we fight, he's jealous, he's boring, he's needy, he's controlling, whatever.

and at this point your response is the difference between PU and LJBF

PUA: well i'm sure its not his fault, i don't know him, but it sounds like he just doesnt want to lose you. feels your better than him and has to hold on. risk of losing you. etc. whatever.

(generalized so i don't have to write out every response. just adapt it to the situation)

so you're complimenting her, and defending him.

and when you defend him, she'll take the opposite post, pointing out why you're wrong

now this gets her to realize all his flaws without you DLV yourself by you being the one pointing them out.

and this is more effective after a day or two for her to think about it.

if i had more time, i'd write more well thought out responses, but this is just to give you a basic idea of the concept.

good luck guys, lemme know how it goes

You could use Speed Seduction and EASILY Destroy the Boyfriend as if he were an ant under a magnifier on a sunny day.




Another veerrrrry easy thing to do is to suggest that she's in the perfect relationship, which will actually make her question it and no relationship is perfect. This will make her care less about the BF and then you can begin to seduce her, and once you do. She'll probably dump him.

EX.

"So it must be awesome to be in the perfect relationship huh."

Yes it's simple as that. There's also a good video about BF destroying in the videos section on this forum, check that out.

Good luck.

Theres a video on this in the PUA Videos section. Wtch it, he gives a good run down on how to manage an interaction with a girl when she tells you she has a boyfriend. Good luck