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I Imagine it ended like this...

You sent her a message on whatapp, you then saw the "she is typing" thing going on for while, 5mins later, her reply is bigger than usual.

She is stating that she is not ready and she into her career right now. That you're a really cool guy bla bla and its not you. It's her.

Which means it's your fault you didn't get physical
How do I get "physical" with the girl on dates? I used the touching technique, plus we were having a good time. I'm thinking it was the last date that caused the intimacy to go downhill, because if I had picked the movies, something would have happened.

What do I need to do to prevent this in the future, and is it possible to get her back, or is it too late?
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What you need to do. Dedicate a weekend of hitting the loud clubs, leave your phone at home and make it your sole purpose to get physical and try to kiss every girl you see in sight, till you develop some balls with this sticking point of yours.

Let me guess, you met this girl from online dating? If you did, that is your problem in a nutshell. You just don't get enough experience getting physical on dates.

Let's say that you need to make a move on 50 girls to become competent with physical escalation. What do you think is more efficient?:
- 50 dates from online dating
- 50 approaching in a club

How often do you get dates? I am guessing nothing on the same level as all the girls you could be hitting on in one single productive weekend at a club. Get it done, get it out of the way. THEN consider get back to online dating with a tool for your arsenal. You're doing it in reverse because of AA most likely.

There is a reason why approaching and getting physical requires the most anxiety for guys. It is because they are the biggest power moves to getting laid. Yes, with online dating, you get to by pass the approach. But I'am afraid it is impossible to by pass getting physical (unless your goal is to be in friend zone)

Get this out of the way, your dates that lead to sex will sky rocket. THEN you can earn to define if it is a 'relationship' or not.
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I call it a relationship, because according to my PUA studies, this was the stage I was in.
Could you point us to the source of this PUA study? I am very curious...

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If you call 3 kissless dates "flames burning extremely bright", what do you call a normal first date when you kiss her half way through, have a good time and then optionally go back and have a coffee at your place?
You don't give her looks man. That's not how you go for a kiss.
Trust me, I'm 90% certain it wouldn't have went any better had you chosen the movies.
Do you understand how long 3-4 dates without showing explicit sexual interest means?


She started playing with her phone and that served only to deepen that feeling of helplessness and desperation you were already experiencing. It's a snowball effect that started building up since date #1, because you were too afraid to lose her to act on your desires.

I'm also pretty certain no PUA studies will advise you to consider her a relationship / girlfriend before you've had sex. You didn't even kiss. You know what two people who are not physically intimate going for dinner are? friends. They're friends.

A kiss is a form of physical intimacy. Once you break that barrier you're dating. After you've had sex and feel everything is cool about this girl, then you consider a relationship if that's what you want.

You don't realize it now, but having an argument after 4 dates like this and acting the way you did portrays an absurd amount of investment and desperation, and there's just nothing less sexy than that.

You're done here. Move on. I wouldn't even focus on dating if I were you. I advise working on your inner game, you lack it entirely. You put waaay too much effort in trying to get a girl to like you.
Even if you were to get this chick, it wouldn't have ended well for you, considering your onitis predisposition.

PS: Who paid for these dates?
So you mean when I'm dating a girl, touching her on her arm several times wont be enough to escalate sexual desires? How do I go in for a kiss? Do I give her "the look", or do I slowly move in? What am I supposed to do?

What do you mean I was too afraid to lose her to act on my desires? What desires? Please explain.

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I Imagine it ended like this...

You sent her a message on whatapp, you then saw the "she is typing" thing going on for while, 5mins later, her reply is bigger than usual.

She is stating that she is not ready and she into her career right now. That you're a really cool guy bla bla and its not you. It's her.

Which means it's your fault you didn't get physical
How do I get "physical" with the girl on dates? I used the touching technique, plus we were having a good time. I'm thinking it was the last date that caused the intimacy to go downhill, because if I had picked the movies, something would have happened.

What do I need to do to prevent this in the future, and is it possible to get her back, or is it too late?
https://www.google.co.uk/webhp?sourceid ... te&tbm=vid

https://www.google.co.uk/webhp?sourceid ... iss+a+girl

Use the search function.

What you need to do. Dedicate a weekend of hitting the loud clubs, leave your phone at home and make it your sole purpose to get physical and try to kiss every girl you see in sight, till you develop some balls with this sticking point of yours.

Let me guess, you met this girl from online dating? If you did, that is your problem in a nutshell. You just don't get enough experience getting physical on dates.

Let's say that you need to make a move on 50 girls to become competent with physical escalation. What do you think is more efficient?:
- 50 dates from online dating
- 50 approaching in a club

How often do you get dates? I am guessing nothing on the same level as all the girls you could be hitting on in one single productive weekend at a club. Get it done, get it out of the way. THEN consider get back to online dating with a tool for your arsenal. You're doing it in reverse because of AA most likely.

There is a reason why approaching and getting physical requires the most anxiety for guys. It is because they are the biggest power moves to getting laid. Yes, with online dating, you get to by pass the approach. But I'am afraid it is impossible to by pass getting physical (unless your goal is to be in friend zone)

Get this out of the way, your dates that lead to sex will sky rocket. THEN you can earn to define if it is a 'relationship' or not.
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I call it a relationship, because according to my PUA studies, this was the stage I was in.
Could you point us to the source of this PUA study? I am very curious...
I'm studying The Tao of Badass. I think my mistake was that I took too long to escalate sexuality in the relationship. I need to check out some tutorials on this.


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If you call 3 kissless dates "flames burning extremely bright", what do you call a normal first date when you kiss her half way through, have a good time and then optionally go back and have a coffee at your place?
You don't give her looks man. That's not how you go for a kiss.
Trust me, I'm 90% certain it wouldn't have went any better had you chosen the movies.
Do you understand how long 3-4 dates without showing explicit sexual interest means?


She started playing with her phone and that served only to deepen that feeling of helplessness and desperation you were already experiencing. It's a snowball effect that started building up since date #1, because you were too afraid to lose her to act on your desires.

I'm also pretty certain no PUA studies will advise you to consider her a relationship / girlfriend before you've had sex. You didn't even kiss. You know what two people who are not physically intimate going for dinner are? friends. They're friends.

A kiss is a form of physical intimacy. Once you break that barrier you're dating. After you've had sex and feel everything is cool about this girl, then you consider a relationship if that's what you want.

You don't realize it now, but having an argument after 4 dates like this and acting the way you did portrays an absurd amount of investment and desperation, and there's just nothing less sexy than that.

You're done here. Move on. I wouldn't even focus on dating if I were you. I advise working on your inner game, you lack it entirely. You put waaay too much effort in trying to get a girl to like you.
Even if you were to get this chick, it wouldn't have ended well for you, considering your onitis predisposition.

PS: Who paid for these dates?
So you mean when I'm dating a girl, touching her on her arm several times wont be enough to escalate sexual desires? How do I go in for a kiss? Do I give her "the look", or do I slowly move in? What am I supposed to do?

What do you mean I was too afraid to lose her to act on my desires? What desires? Please explain.

I paid for these dates.


Sorry to hijack, but I am sure RC would agree...

Touching a girl on her arm is basically, you are touching her on the arm. THAT IS IT. This is a stagnant move

Now if you made an OVERT move such as, kissing or hand holding, holding her ass. Then this would effectively bypass the friendzone and you will find out pretty quick that if she likes you in the romantic sense or not.

This forum is full of reports of girls going cold due to a lack of a physical connection. This is a typical problem with guys not working on their escalation

So, less arm touching, more ass grabbing. get it?

I can touch my Dad on the shoulder, it means fuck all. If I touch his ass then I am sure he will react to that...

What RC is talking about regarding desire. If you want to kiss, then follow your true desire and do that. Touching her elbow isn't a desire. It is indirect kino. Surely possibly on all 4 of those dates you wanted to kiss her? That is the desire.

Did you meet her on online dating, yes or no?

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If you call 3 kissless dates "flames burning extremely bright", what do you call a normal first date when you kiss her half way through, have a good time and then optionally go back and have a coffee at your place?
You don't give her looks man. That's not how you go for a kiss.
Trust me, I'm 90% certain it wouldn't have went any better had you chosen the movies.
Do you understand how long 3-4 dates without showing explicit sexual interest means?


She started playing with her phone and that served only to deepen that feeling of helplessness and desperation you were already experiencing. It's a snowball effect that started building up since date #1, because you were too afraid to lose her to act on your desires.

I'm also pretty certain no PUA studies will advise you to consider her a relationship / girlfriend before you've had sex. You didn't even kiss. You know what two people who are not physically intimate going for dinner are? friends. They're friends.

A kiss is a form of physical intimacy. Once you break that barrier you're dating. After you've had sex and feel everything is cool about this girl, then you consider a relationship if that's what you want.

You don't realize it now, but having an argument after 4 dates like this and acting the way you did portrays an absurd amount of investment and desperation, and there's just nothing less sexy than that.

You're done here. Move on. I wouldn't even focus on dating if I were you. I advise working on your inner game, you lack it entirely. You put waaay too much effort in trying to get a girl to like you.
Even if you were to get this chick, it wouldn't have ended well for you, considering your onitis predisposition.

PS: Who paid for these dates?
So you mean when I'm dating a girl, touching her on her arm several times wont be enough to escalate sexual desires? How do I go in for a kiss? Do I give her "the look", or do I slowly move in? What am I supposed to do?

What do you mean I was too afraid to lose her to act on my desires? What desires? Please explain.

I paid for these dates.


Sorry to hijack, but I am sure RC would agree...

Touching a girl on her arm is basically, you are touching her on the arm. THAT IS IT. This is a stagnant move

Now if you made an OVERT move such as, kissing or hand holding, holding her ass. Then this would effectively bypass the friendzone and you will find out pretty quick that if she likes you in the romantic sense or not.

This forum is full of reports of girls going cold due to a lack of a physical connection. This is a typical problem with guys not working on their escalation

So, less arm touching, more ass grabbing. get it?

I can touch my Dad on the shoulder, it means fuck all. If I touch his ass then I am sure he will react to that...

What RC is talking about regarding desire. If you want to kiss, then follow your true desire and do that. Touching her elbow isn't a desire. It is indirect kino. Surely possibly on all 4 of those dates you wanted to kiss her? That is the desire.

Did you meet her on online dating, yes or no?
So the mistake was basically "failure to launch"? Is there an escalation map that can show me a pattern I can follow that is a sure fire way, or do I just go by instinct?


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The flames were burning extremely bright on the first 3 dates. I used the touching technique, and she was having fun on each date. At the end of the date, I would give her a look in her eyes telling her I wanted to kiss her, and she wouldn't do it.
%100 of girls expect a kiss to happen on this first date. Every girl kisses on the first date. No matter how sexually uptight. You should be kissing a girl within the first 15-20 minutes of a good date. Take her hand right from the start. Stand/sit right next to her. Proximity leads to sexual comfort. There are a lot of ways to set up a kiss. I know Gambler went into painstaking detail on several ways in his Stealth Seduction program.
I don't remember what they were, but that gives you several. It's not exactly the smoothest, but you can even tell her you're going to kiss her. And then do it. That's I used to do... when I was like 10. But if a girl actually likes you, it will still work.
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You need to get over your sexual anxiety and find a new girl who still respects you as a man. This girl is not salvageable.

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The flames were burning extremely bright on the first 3 dates. I used the touching technique, and she was having fun on each date. At the end of the date, I would give her a look in her eyes telling her I wanted to kiss her, and she wouldn't do it.
%100 of girls expect a kiss to happen on this first date. Every girl kisses on the first date. No matter how sexually uptight. You should be kissing a girl within the first 15-20 minutes of a good date. Take her hand right from the start. Stand/sit right next to her. Proximity leads to sexual comfort. There are a lot of ways to set up a kiss. I know Gambler went into painstaking detail on several ways in his Stealth Seduction program.
I don't remember what they were, but that gives you several. It's not exactly the smoothest, but you can even tell her you're going to kiss her. And then do it. That's I used to do... when I was like 10. But if a girl actually likes you, it will still work.
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You need to get over your sexual anxiety and find a new girl who still respects you as a man. This girl is not salvageable.
Dude, you seriously gave out some awesome advice there. What you actually described, I was thinking of your pattern when I was driving home. Holding hands should definitely be on the first date, because that breaks the touch barrier to sexuality. Not only that, but just flat out telling her you're going to kiss her is way better than waiting 4 dates, and then the ship sails. How do I kiss her within 15-20 minutes on the first date? Wouldn't she find that awkward? My therapist says my problem is fear of rejection, and hesitation. Do you have a sexual escalation map, or know someone that has one I can use when setting up dates? Do you also have any instant messaging? I really love how you described all this.


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How do I kiss her within 15-20 minutes on the first date? Wouldn't she find that awkward?
No, just make sure that once she's comfortable with you(she doesn't draw back from your touch), you just do it when she's smiling and in a good mood. There is rarely a "perfect moment" to kiss her. And I honestly suspect that if there was one, it might actually make her nervous and more likely to shy away.
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My therapist says my problem is fear of rejection, and hesitation. Do you have a sexual escalation map, or know someone that has one I can use when setting up dates? Do you also have any instant messaging? I really love how you described all this.
Broad guidelines are really better than specific step-by-step. Because most of this stuff is fluid and can't fit into a Step 1, 2, 3 ,4 process.

Another thing I believe you need to work on is having a more sexual mindset. When you're on a date, are you looking at her lips and imagining what they would feel like, wrapped around your dick? Are you looking at her ass and thinking about bending her over a couch and fucking her from behind? Because if not, you need to be. That comes through in your sub-communications. If you have a more sexual mindset, things like a kiss seem very trivial and won't seem awkward at all.
Mental barriers like "What if she won't kiss me!?" disappear with experience. It's hard to think kissing is a big deal in 20 minutes, when you've met a girl and had your fingers in her pussy less than an hour later. It really opens up your mind and you see that kissing is very small. It's just the very start and isn't too much more than just basic smiling and flirting.

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How do I kiss her within 15-20 minutes on the first date? Wouldn't she find that awkward?
No, just make sure that once she's comfortable with you(she doesn't draw back from your touch), you just do it when she's smiling and in a good mood. There is rarely a "perfect moment" to kiss her. And I honestly suspect that if there was one, it might actually make her nervous and more likely to shy away.
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My therapist says my problem is fear of rejection, and hesitation. Do you have a sexual escalation map, or know someone that has one I can use when setting up dates? Do you also have any instant messaging? I really love how you described all this.
Broad guidelines are really better than specific step-by-step. Because most of this stuff is fluid and can't fit into a Step 1, 2, 3 ,4 process.

Another thing I believe you need to work on is having a more sexual mindset. When you're on a date, are you looking at her lips and imagining what they would feel like, wrapped around your dick? Are you looking at her ass and thinking about bending her over a couch and fucking her from behind? Because if not, you need to be. That comes through in your sub-communications. If you have a more sexual mindset, things like a kiss seem very trivial and won't seem awkward at all.
Mental barriers like "What if she won't kiss me!?" disappear with experience. It's hard to think kissing is a big deal in 20 minutes, when you've met a girl and had your fingers in her pussy less than an hour later. It really opens up your mind and you see that kissing is very small. It's just the very start and isn't too much more than just basic smiling and flirting.
My therapist told me I have some sexual anxiety, and I would have to direct that towards a sex therapist, because she's a family therapist. I can probably get a sex therapist through my insurance, I would have to check on that. Because I was raised in a stupid Christian cult that taught "sex is bad", I blocked sex out of my mind for several years. It has affected by sub-conscious mind, and I had to study PUA to reverse it. Its still not 100% reversed, but feels like its getting there. Sex therapy might help it go quicker.

Let me give you a little timeline of what I went through just recently.

Date 1: Took the girl out to a strip mall. Didn't hold hands or kiss, just touched her on the arm and shoulder 4 times. There were times I did look at her ass, but that was about it. Most of this date was extremely emotional than sexual. We were looking into each other's eyes as we were walking, and I felt a sense of romance in me. I wanted to kiss her at the end of the night, but she said she wasn't ready. I didn't ask her, so it was a mutual agreement.

Date 2: We were eating at Arby's, and things started getting a little heated. We started having a conversation about sex, role playing, masks, and other stuff. I imagined all kinds of things with her when we were sitting at the table, such as her riding me with a mask on. When we went to the arcade, it got even more intense. I would say there were sex jokes the entire hour when we were having fun. No kissing or holding hands on this date either. Just touched her about 3 to 4 times on the arm and shoulder.

Date 3: This was an unplanned date where the attraction SPIKED through the roof. She texted me saying she wanted to go on an adventure, so I picked her up, and we drove off. The emotion was very intense on this date, but then the attraction PLUMMETED when her ex showed up with her kid. Still no kissing and hand holding at this point, just touching. We almost kissed, but she kept pulling back, because she said she had feelings for her ex still. I touched her hand for 8 seconds, then released.

A night after Date 3: She was texting me saying she was laying in her room, and mentioned about me coming over. I asked if I could, and then she started saying maybe it wasn't a good idea, because her house was messy. I asked twice and she kept talking about the room being messy, so I just gave in, and said I was tired anyway (I was exhausted that night). I ALMOST texted her "Can I come over and fuck your brains out in that goddamn bed?", but I hesitated, because I was afraid I would scare her off. I REALLY wanted to say this to her, but I was afraid she would run off or something.

Date 4: Flames began to die here. We went to a restaurant, things got boring, and there was silence in the car for 20 minutes. Not only that, an eerie message played in my head saying she was unattractive at the beginning of this date, and she gave me a cold hearted look at the end of the night. It was a look in her eyes that looked like "I love you, but hate you".

A day after Date 4: We got into a really bad argument on the phone when she said she was going to the fair with a guy. This argument was on and off through three phone calls. She said she never went afterwards.

Next day: A huge text storm with 100+ texts of anger between us. I texted her the next morning saying I was through with her.

Execution Preparation Day: Great sadness built inside me of missing her. My gut was bouncing up and down from sadness to hatred.

Execution Day: I was walking down the Wal-Mart isle, I felt a sudden tight knot in my stomach, and the sound of an eerie funeral bell tolled in my head. It was creepy as fuck, and scared the shit out of me.

Day of Mourning: I cried in my room for 15 minutes. I texted her this, and she was there to comfort me. This girl that I was dating had low self esteem, and I always remembered she would say things like "Josh, where's your confidence?" and "You need faith in me."

Please explain this whole thing, and what I could have done. I am taking notes down from what you're saying, and I greatly appreciate it. Thank you.


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Please just google, "how to physically escalate" and watch the videos and then do the same? Will you do this? Yes or no?

Are you a virgin?

Touching a girl's shoulder for 8 seconds is NOT game or......anything. There is a difference between touching a shoulder and making a move onto a girl.

If I was to talk to you and touched you on the shoulder a few times, you wouldn't care would you?

What if I was talking to you and started to play with your fingers with my fingers? You would freak out wouldn't you because you're not gay?

That's the difference. Do it to a girl instead and you're taking the next step to getting laid.

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Please just google, "how to physically escalate" and watch the videos and then do the same? Will you do this? Yes or no?

Are you a virgin?

Touching a girl's shoulder for 8 seconds is NOT game or......anything. There is a difference between touching a shoulder and making a move onto a girl.

If I was to talk to you and touched you on the shoulder a few times, you wouldn't care would you?

What if I was talking to you and started to play with your fingers with my fingers? You would freak out wouldn't you because you're not gay?

That's the difference. Do it to a girl instead and you're taking the next step to getting laid.
I lost my virginity to a woman I married when I was 24, and slept with her for 7 years. I've only had sex with one woman in my entire life. I'm going to need a lot of trial and error to get out of this situation.


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