I danced with an HB7 at the bar on the small dance floor. I see her later upstairs, and we reengaged. My intention for the night was to isolate within the first three minutes for five minutes, since I haven't been doing it. Well I said, "Come over here, I want to show you something." I hesitated for a second thinking she was going to ask Why?. But she didn't, so then I recomposed myself and led her to a nearby table. My wing did an awesome job of occupying her friends. As we sat down at a 90 degree angle from each other, I leaned back in my chair and she was leaning forward. Since we were isolated I thought we were in comfort, so I just started asking about her. (I wanted to rest her hand on my thigh and she if she would leave it but I chickened.) At some point, she asked me if I like kids because she has a three year old. What kind of sign is this? How often do girls with kids go into this? It is just automatic? It felt like all of sudden she was leading the conversation into relationship land. I said, "I used to hate kids. But then I got a much younger brother. And because the huge age difference, I got to see what fun little kids can be and I started to like them."

We talked a bit longer. Then her friends started coming over with shots. I saw them and said, "I've got to get back to your friends and you've got to get back to yours." She said before I could go for it, "Here take my number." I was like, "Yeah, I was about to ask you for it." So I number closed her. Then we stood up. Then I was like, "One last thing." And pulled her in for a kiss. It was like a little peck, no tongue. Is that a bad sign? Can you gauge attraction or comfort from a peck to a 20 second tongue make-out? After the kiss as she was walking off she said, "You have to earn it." I responded, "I can earn it."

Probably not the best response. How can I respond and reframe this? How did I end up in this frame in the first place? It seems that I wasn't the prize because she was able to even think that I have to earn it instead of how she can earn me. Or is she flirting? What's happening here?

To quickly wrap up, I see her on the dance floor, commit to her for the last 45 mins (from RSD videos), kiss once with a little tongue, then she goes to the bathroom with her friend, I see them at the bar, I walk over to get a drink, talk about getting food afterwards, she seems completely uninterested, they go back on the dance floor, I go back on dance floor to another part, but move towards her direction, she sees me and points, I come over and dance with her more, they leave, I text for food, "Let's get tacos? " She replies, "Ehhh... I have to work at 6am." But all night I saw her checking her phone for some guy named Jake, and I saw her swap numbers with someone else, so it could of been that guy. I reponded, "Nothing going to happen between us... Let's just go for 20 mins." That was my last ditch effort. No response.

I think I screwed up even before the kiss. Did she not see me as more valuable than her, someone she needs to chase and later this made it hard to pull? Did I screw up by "committing" and showing too much attention on the dance floor? (I was dancing awesome and so was she and other girls we're looking at us like "Oh Damn" because we were like challenging each other with our dance moves, though honestly, she was a better dancer than me.) Where and how do you see I could have hooked stronger?

You're overthinking.

The only real mistake was letting her leave and then asking her out for tacos. You should have asked her while she was in your presence.

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Cool you know how to dance. HB7= uncool if you are better looking than a 7. In my limited experience of 37 years (nearly 50), if you go after women below your level of attractiveness, and certainly among plane Janes, expect delusional arrogance from them not found in the most beautiful women. Add to it the inferiority complex HB7s feel for the 8s, 9s, and 10s and you have a toxic cocktail. As we will see this HB7 had as her goal tormenting you to feel good about herself.
Intimacy/rapport was broken. You overcame the break. Good commands.
90º is clinical and distant. Not a significant matter.
Good you see some issues. Always escalate and put her in the position of accepting or coldly rejecting you. Put your hand on the leg, like Richard Gere in "Internal Affairs." Hand on the leg caressing will force her to make a choice- accept or reject.
She was both testing your betaness and messing with you mentally like a shit test. Notice the red flag of where you are: a f____ing disco! Assuming you are a rock solid marrying man (not a MGTOW champion), would a woman, who leaves her kids to go to a disco be the kind of girlfriend, wife, mother you want? Hell no! She is a tramp. A good playful response already identified in this website is, "whoa girl, slow down, you want me so bad that you skipped over being a sweet girlfriend to marrying me and having me be the step dad..."
No need to share your deep humanity in a disco populated by shrews.
The sole talk should have been your seduction whispered close in her ear, kissing, and groping her. That is the escalation to her acquiescence or rejection again.
Anything you said or did at this point was irrelevant. If a girl gives you a number in a disco, it's meaningless as she won't answer your call. My opinion is if a woman does not stick her tongue down your throat she doesn't dig you. In this case, an HB7 with kids has zero value. Single moms as has been discussed in this website have LV. Why? Try talking to one on the phone with her yelling, "Pookie dammit get down from the sofa...put that fire out!" A single mom will always be too busy because she is busy in this order of importance: her imaginary feelings, hair, nails, shopping, partying, TV show, gossiping with friends, thinking about what she thought about, her job, her kids, Ted, Jack, Bob.., "will getting a boyfriend interfere with my dating life?" and you.

I just met a milf, and she asked me out.. but its hard to get her to answer her phone.

The next weekend another girl said the exact same thing - "You have to earn it." This time I was like, "Oh no I fucking don't, I have it, it's you who has to earn it" playfully yet just enough serious. She giggled and it was past that quickly!

Great work. It shows that you're at least implementing something you're learning here

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Hey brother

you're thinking wayyyy too much about this!

Let's run a little test shall we? Take your left hand and put it between your legs. What do you feel?
You see, nature intended you to be successful with women!

You've already got this. You always did. In fact, she likes you! Why? look at her behaviour. She kissed you. She even said "you have to earn it".

Why are you trying to reframe anything? My God this PUA shit is toxic. Your answer was spot on! You are not submitting to anything. You do not submit without your own consent. A man loves challenge, a man has no qualms with working for what he wants.

You think women are in opposition to you? Something to be conquered? Take a deep breath and listen to what she's truly saying! "You have to earn it" means = PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE dont be like the other losers, PLEASE be a fucking cool guy that knows how to seduce me, that knows how to make me feel excited and alive, who I can trust and be myself around". She is basically offering for you to step up to the plate.

Understand this; all women want to be a part of a love story. All women want to be wanted - they just want to know you're real.

You've got this brother! Be easy on yourself.

Your fan,
Mack

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