Oh yeah, I figured that out in my journal:

- initial statement of attraction
- not demonstrating, but BEING a man of higher value
- sexual escalation (kin aesthetic, visual and emotional)
- logistical transition (location, location, location)
- overcoming last minute resistance to have sex

This was after I took a girl back to my place but didn't have sex. Logistical transition becomes evident from escalating with girls in night club. Getting past the attraction stage mainly seems to be an issue in day game when I am not already in a sexualised environment and girls have things to do. Calibrating comfort with sexual escalation is an important one too though.

I tend to enjoy night game more because that way I can have a bit of a laugh in between sets, even though I had to puppy train myself not to drink (who goes to a club and doesn't drink). But it's all shits and giggles.
Yeah. Be more salesman like. Good advice. I have read Dale Carnegie by the way.

- How to Win Friends and Influence People
- How to Stop Worrying and Start Living

I even went through and highlighted everything like he suggests.

Some of the advice is good. I like all of the anecdotes.

Getting a telemarketing job isn't an option for me right now unfortunately. I have done stuff like that in the past though.

Well, thanks for the advice. I guess sometimes it's good to just have a heads up when you are feeling a bit blue. I think I make myself out to be more of a little bitch answering those questions while feeling a bit low than I actually am.

Does knowing something consciously mean it's a learned behavior? I'm wondering how much of the stuff you've incorporated into your personality from Dale. You should objectively analyze that.

You must not understand. The telemarketing job is flexible. Meaning you form your OWN schedule, you can work as much or as little (or not at all) that you like. The only reason you say it's not an option is because you make it not one.

Anyway, you're good, you know there is a ton of room for improvement, and you've identified your main issues. Do what you have to do.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HccL8jUIIWU - Adoration of the Magi Lupe Fiasco

If u r not learning anythng from 500 approaches and doin same thng again n again, then 500 approaches count to nothing. From my own personal experience, i am pretty much sure tht its abt ur game n not abt ur personality so stop ssyin u r undesirable.
wat i wud recommend is u go deeper into ur approach. sit down n analyze ur last approach. post a field report here on forum so tht other puas can pin point on ur mistakes. then focus on those n try to do smthng different frm wat u normally do.. its very important. coz if u r cnsistently not getting result then smethng wrong u r doin consistently wich u dont knw yet.
long story short,
1. sit down n analyze ur last 3 approaches
2. break it down step by step
3. apply some different technique next time

worked out for me. hope that helps...

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Hey style, thanks for contributing. You're right there may be something wrong in his game that he can fix. That's why I had him identify the area in his game they he gets rejected the most. There is an underlying confidence problem here though. You shouldn't be experiencing nerves after 500 approaches. Even if your game isn't good, the nerves should be gone.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HccL8jUIIWU - Adoration of the Magi Lupe Fiasco

Thanks guys for the help.

But I went out today (Style I'm not doing field reports anymore but you can see my progress over the last few months in the signature journal link, cheers) and I just felt like daygame is taking a drain on my energy.

I look and feel miserable getting rejected by girls all the time.

I'm burned out.

I just hate it.

All I can think about is the way women have treated me: the way they prey on my insecurities and times when I feel down. They are like a vacuum sucking out my happiness. To me they are just ruthless and cold hearted emotional manipulators.

Everyone assures me that this is not the case, I just have to change my perception of them. Well, I try going in positive, but nothing about them makes me feel positive anymore. I just see them sleeping around with other guys and feel jealous.

I have to have 'game'. I have to have 'inner beliefs'. I have to 'think positively'. I have to have this and that.

None of it means anything to me anymore.

I just feel cold, hollow and empty inside.

I can't see how I will ever be successful the way things have gone so far and the way they are continue to going.

I don't know if I can keep doing game.

I try getting advice from forums:

- forget about saying the right thing, 'just be authentic'.

In my experience this is wrong advice, the things you talk about are important if you want to get interest.

- all your problems come from 'deep inside'.

I tried being more positive and changing my life view but it is evidently so fucked up that women can smell it before I even approach.

- if at first you don't succeed try and try again.

There's a quote from Death of a Salesman, a book in which salesman Willy Loman puts his happiness on line in pursuit of the 'American Dream'. Towards the end, his friend says to him,

"You know the quote if at first you don't succeed try and try again...well sometimes a man's just gotta walk away"

And it is true. When whatever it is you are doing is making you miserable then maybe it is time to call it quits.

There's a lot of fake motivational bullshit that comes from PUA but I don't see much real advice. I don't see anything much that is centered around intellectual conversation, or changing your lifestyle to be more attractive to women. I just see the advice quoted above being regurgitated in various formats.

Thanks all for your contributions but this is it from me. I tried to change things round but I couldn't. I tried to see things in a different light but all I see is negativity. I can't understand women and I can't understand what makes them think the way they do. Clearly they see something in me that they don't like and whatever it is, it makes me undesirable and unattractive to women. So what is the point continuing trying to escalate with women when there is no initial spark of attraction to begin with.

Identify what they see, and change it..

The inner stuff is the most difficult to address. I myself thought I was legit, but I still had under the radar problems. Of holding grudges and being vengeful.

There is a reason mental habits are the most difficult to conquer. When you find out what they are you'll understand.

It isn't easy man, if it was, everyone would do it.

Let me give you some authentic non regurgitated advice. To get good at this, you have to lose your soul. The soul that is the you up until this point.

You'll want to change a mental habit and your mental habits will fight for their survival. Not everyone is willing to deal with this stuff honestly. But everyone can deal with it through effort.

Effort in itself is not the key. It's how the effort is applied that matters. You can tire yourself out swimming against the current, and drown like you seem ready to do, or you can find another way.

Only you can deal with your personal issues. The best thing I can advice you to do is go to the inner game thread and read my inner game of the magi post and start there. You haven't read that in any PU book. I guarantee!

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"Keep your head up in the sky, you just a baby."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HccL8jUIIWU - Adoration of the Magi Lupe Fiasco

well said Magi.. i can see the issue in inner game too...
@JHA91
i totally feel u bro. but if u really want to change ur situation then u need to work on ur inner game for sure.. now thts a very generic thng to say so i'll be more specific.
wat i see frm ur post (didnt read all of them) is tht u r focusing too much on the result wich is natural since u said u made 500 approaches n not getting any.. but wat u r missing is actually enjoying the process of approaching. It is very important to enjoy the process.rejection n bad atitude is common when i appraoch. key is not to take it to ur heart n b playfull n actually enjoying it urself. So start enjoying ur approaches n when a gal rejects u ur atitude shud b like "haa wat a bitch... on to the next one"
meanwhile u shud focus on ur tactics too as i said before..but ur core issue is ur inner game in my opinion. I wud recommend watching
RSD TYLERS INNER GAME on youtube.
it will really help u a lot. go watch his videos if u havent yet.
best of luck for future.
n yea world is a bitch. so live wid it

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