Will Durant made some interesting comments in a book about war and it's impact on human evolution. Will, bless his heart, was not a pimp and in all of his books he missed explaining the vital link of war in the arena of love.

So I'm here today to say a few thoughts on that matter. Will's idea was how through war advancement is made, so war is an essential part of evolution.

Conflict creates an environment for a person or group to reach new levels that peace would not obtain. Women create conflict in order to fix and change a man in her efforts to advance him into the man she (through her own belief system) wants him to be. Good or bad. Therefor in order to live with a good, confident woman you have to live in a constant state of war. Or at the very least constant assaults on your character where you're never allowed to ever really be in a comfort zone. Change never lives in a comfort zone.

So accept war as the reality of your life and embrace it.

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"Keep your head up in the sky, you just a baby."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HccL8jUIIWU - Adoration of the Magi Lupe Fiasco

If your chicks are constantly "at war" with you, it's because she doesn't respect you as a man.

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Thanks for the response Versalis.

So, if the woman isn't trying to change you for the better... You feel it's because she thinks you're already perfect enough? You know or she respects you enough?

The friction doesn't have to be full out arguments. I see it as always small little things. Like her trying to pick where you go or things for you to eat. Or trying to get you to do things that don't make logical sense for you.

She will at the very least attempt to domesticate you in order to gain some semblance of loyalty and obedience out of you, and you resist 100% manipulation in order not the become domesticated. This battle helps you in life towards other people who try and manipulate you. So even if you already are respected, your skills increase and sharpen through her. You both in turn show the children how to manipulate, socialize, and resist being manipulated by people.

If she isn't doing something to change you, and just allows you to have your own way 100% of the time with no resistance...She isn't a very strong woman. You will have docile children mimicking her behavior, or children who think they can get their way all of the time mimicking yours. They won't be balanced in the conflict zone when they deal with other children, and people in general.

All of this isn't some thought out thing, but dates back centuries. If the children didn't learn how to properly socialize, manipulate others, and resist manipulation they either died out in the wild by themselves or where used by sharper individuals. She also wouldn't be able to keep a man around if she didn't develop enough skill to put a leash on him.

Nice talking with you Versalis, have a great day.

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"Keep your head up in the sky, you just a baby."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HccL8jUIIWU - Adoration of the Magi Lupe Fiasco

No.

Instead, if you're planning on settling down you should find a girl that will enhance your life and not go to war with you. They are out there. The problem here is that you are accepting women that treat you like their project. A proper masculine mindset is to be the man that you want to be and not the man someone else wants you to be. If you believe that, you'll project that and the woman that you're with will accept that.

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Jack, your statement is true, and thank you for the response. Here's the thing though, women will always test to make sure the outside matches the inside. After she accepts that boundary she'll test others, and then go back to this one to test it again in the future to make sure you're still congruent.

How do they check a man to see if he is the man that he claims to be? By testing him. Every woman constantly tests men. Hell, people constantly test each other to see what they can and cannot get away with.

There are no people in the world who 100% of the time are selfless. Even the spineless will try to gain a small advantage in some way.

When you set a boundary it will be tested and poked, and prodded by others. Especially women. Then you have to react in some way to protect your boundary. Sounds like a war to me.

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"Keep your head up in the sky, you just a baby."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HccL8jUIIWU - Adoration of the Magi Lupe Fiasco

Women only test men that they have reason to test. Women are masters at detecting incongruence. The moment that there is incongruence, that is when a test begins.

Dishonest or immature people(children) will test people to see what they can get away with. Find someone that will be honest with you.

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Even if I were to play with the idea you present here that there are some honest ones out there, you still can agree with me that mature, non childish women are a minority. Especially when you frequent clubs for them.

Then this means that at least in a majority of your interactions you're in a constant state of war to protect your boundaries. If you ignore someone that crosses the line they try to take it further.

Therefore in Pick Up relationships and dating at least most of the time you are at war. SO war is something you will have to embrace and accept in this field. Even if it's just to go weeding through the masses to find the "honest" ones.

Love is war.

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"Keep your head up in the sky, you just a baby."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HccL8jUIIWU - Adoration of the Magi Lupe Fiasco

Your personality is suspect to women. You said yourself in another post that you are willing to fake it in order to make a connection with a woman so of course she has to test you. Once you drop the option of being phony, you'll realize that you are not going to have to fight a so-called war with women because what you stand for will be transparent. If you're not a man that can be honest and mature about what you stand for, how would you expect to find a woman that holds those qualities or would even respect you enough to live up to them?

The truth is that I am not trying to convince YOU of thinking differently. You've announced it to the world so you are forced to stick with it. However, you are giving this embracing war advice out and you'll end up planting negative seeds in other men's thinking. Guys will settle for women because of a belief that they are going to have to be in a constant battle based on your advice.

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Don't lump me in with people who make a statement and are forced to stick to it forever. Opinions change that's how you grow as a person. My mind isn't closed enough to stand on something if proper evidence to the contrary is presented.

For instance back in the day when the earth was flat, if a man told me the earth was round I would ask him why he thinks that.

You reference another thread and say I'm content with being fake. In that thread I said I couldn't stand it and I was looking for a way to adapt my inner belief system to genuinely enjoying conversational topics necessary for me to survive in certain pick up environments.

People reading this, you can find what Jack's talking about here: http://pick-up-artist-forum.com/viewtop ... 6&t=191073

Transparency is revealed through a test. There is no way for people to visually see your value system. You show them through your actions, and you only show them when situations opposite of your value system arise.

Like just now when we had a quick talk about being fake vs self evolution and changing your core personality. If the opposite of what I believe didn't come up I wouldn't have to do anything about it.

Your boundaries become transparent through conflict. Thus you must accept and embrace war.
I'm telling you it doesn't matter if you're transparent, you'll be tested. I was transparent about my beliefs on self evolution vs being phony in that other thread, and then you still committed an assault by calling it phony anyway. That's war.

With women you can be very clear on your stuff and you will still be pushed. Any man who thinks just spelling out his ideas, and showing them to people will immediately gain acceptance and not encounter resistance has not been around a ton of people.

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"Keep your head up in the sky, you just a baby."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HccL8jUIIWU - Adoration of the Magi Lupe Fiasco

But would you have been ready for the answer. I'm telling you that you don't have to be at war with women and this comes from my experience. There are plenty of other solid guys here that share that experience, but you are stuck in your war analogy. Conquer your approach anxiety, get comfortable with women, and don't fake it. We'll probably be able to discuss things at the same level at that point.
Lol. If you're at war with me, you're just throwing snowflakes at a snowman.

Would it have made you feel better if I would have called you a fake? Phony and fake are interchangeable to me.

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I see all disagreements as wars. I happen to like you and think you're an educated and experienced man, and I hope we can be friends. I was trying to explain this analogy.

I explained my stance better of the fake phony stuff in the other thread. I don't like having to fake interest, in conversations I don't like, to get what I want. I'd rather just change into liking the conversations for real, and I was looking for a way to do it, and found it.

You make a fair statement. My current level of understanding comes from the perspective I have right now as I sit here. I'm sharing that, and it might evolve later.

For now, the arguments I've made I believe are still true.

Thanks for the response again Jack I'm sure we'll talk more in the future.

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"Keep your head up in the sky, you just a baby."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HccL8jUIIWU - Adoration of the Magi Lupe Fiasco

Why does everyone try to turn pickup into something much deeper and more complicated than it is?

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These hos ain't loyal

The same reason you try to over simplify it. It's in our nature.

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"Keep your head up in the sky, you just a baby."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HccL8jUIIWU - Adoration of the Magi Lupe Fiasco

Frankly, to me it sounds like you're describing an abusive relationship. The woman you are describing doesn't love her man, she's trying to carve her ideal man out of him.

Worse, it sounds like you accept and expect this behavior when you shouldn't be tolerating it.
So you go to a club looking for a woman, expecting her to be manipulative and childish; even believing that manipulation and boundary testing is a sign of affection. Then, lo and behold, you find one exactly like what you're looking for! Ever hear of a self-fulfilling prophesy?

You're getting exactly what you expect because it's exactly what you're looking for.

Even if mature women were a minority, how fast do you think that would change if men were willing to just walk away at the first sign of childishness... if these women couldn't get away with it?