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PostPosted: Mon May 04, 2015 2:40 pm 
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So what would you say is key here? I still get moments of nervousness and uneasiness when I'm having a conversation. I can feel myself getting motor mouth mid conversation. Controlling and focusing on my breathing helps a bit but i still have this issue.

Also kiss closing is still something that really gets me nervous. I just never know when and never really pull the trigger

This is still the same for experienced folk. You're human.

Just keep putting yourself in those situations and your life is going to change.

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PostPosted: Mon May 04, 2015 3:07 pm 
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So what would you say is key here? I still get moments of nervousness and uneasiness when I'm having a conversation. I can feel myself getting motor mouth mid conversation. Controlling and focusing on my breathing helps a bit but i still have this issue.

Also kiss closing is still something that really gets me nervous. I just never know when and never really pull the trigger
You're nervous and anticipating bad experiences because even if you know the theory you still lack the conditioning. You should address just that, but remember that getting flat out rejected isn't the only kind of conditioning there is. Just being in the girls' presence and interacting with them should be enough to get rid of the first part of your nervousness.


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So what would you say is key here? I still get moments of nervousness and uneasiness when I'm having a conversation. I can feel myself getting motor mouth mid conversation. Controlling and focusing on my breathing helps a bit but i still have this issue.

Also kiss closing is still something that really gets me nervous. I just never know when and never really pull the trigger

You keep approaching man. You still barely have any approaches under your belt, Get about a thousand and then we can talk about any issues you're still having.

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PostPosted: Tue May 05, 2015 5:52 pm 
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Got flaked on by a girl i met on Thursday but I'm not all that surprised. While i pushed myself further than i usually go in escalating, it never felt like i hit it out of the park.

Finals week so it's tough to talk to anyone when they're in the library/wanting to pull their hair out.

Approached on girl who i had a class with. Astonishingly i was not nervous at all. It was so easy to start touching and intiating contact so damn quickly! It felt great! Then she dropped the "This guy I'm dating" and I've been in the position of being the other guy before and I'd rather not go down that road again so I just got her number for future reference and ejected. :D

This is getting great. I'm just really worried about having my momentum slowed down by not being in school for the summer :cry:


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PostPosted: Thu May 07, 2015 8:06 pm 
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So what exactly do i do if it seems like she's really in a hurry? I was talking to this girl today but she had to run. She said "I'll see you around" and i said "Oh yeah? Let's make that happen" and i pulled out my phone and called her back over (I wasn't moving. I made her walk back toward me) and I handed her my phone so she could put her number in and called her so it wasn't a fake number.

Question is, that while i'm sure i'll get better and better at seamlessly escalating quicker so this won't become an issue, how do i not only get her number but make plans and reduce my flake rate when it's just a quick number exchange/she's on the run?


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So what exactly do i do if it seems like she's really in a hurry? I was talking to this girl today but she had to run. She said "I'll see you around" and i said "Oh yeah? Let's make that happen" and i pulled out my phone and called her back over (I wasn't moving. I made her walk back toward me) and I handed her my phone so she could put her number in and called her so it wasn't a fake number.

Question is, that while i'm sure i'll get better and better at seamlessly escalating quicker so this won't become an issue, how do i not only get her number but make plans and reduce my flake rate when it's just a quick number exchange/she's on the run?

You start texting immediately. If theres no time to finishing the build in person, begin conversing through the medium you have. The conversation never has to stop. Texted are delayed and before you know it you'll be meeting up with her.

I remember an approach with the girl that was visiting so she gave me the " I don't live in new york, I won't be here much longer" so I said " How long will you be here? " - She began thinking and mumbled " Uhh umm.." and I cut her off at that moment " Thats enough time right there. Just give me your number and we'll meet before you go"

If you can cut them off before they finish their " I gotta run" speech. They'll jump on the fact that you beat them to the close.

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PostPosted: Fri May 08, 2015 2:41 am 
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So what exactly do i do if it seems like she's really in a hurry? I was talking to this girl today but she had to run. She said "I'll see you around" and i said "Oh yeah? Let's make that happen" and i pulled out my phone and called her back over (I wasn't moving. I made her walk back toward me) and I handed her my phone so she could put her number in and called her so it wasn't a fake number.

Question is, that while i'm sure i'll get better and better at seamlessly escalating quicker so this won't become an issue, how do i not only get her number but make plans and reduce my flake rate when it's just a quick number exchange/she's on the run?

You start texting immediately. If theres no time to finishing the build in person, begin conversing through the medium you have. The conversation never has to stop. Texted are delayed and before you know it you'll be meeting up with her.

I remember an approach with the girl that was visiting so she gave me the " I don't live in new york, I won't be here much longer" so I said " How long will you be here? " - She began thinking and mumbled " Uhh umm.." and I cut her off at that moment " Thats enough time right there. Just give me your number and we'll meet before you go"

If you can cut them off before they finish their " I gotta run" speech. They'll jump on the fact that you beat them to the close.
I'm so trying this next time.

Yeah I haven't texted her since the interaction. I thought that would be too needy but oh well

The good thing is I'm not as nervous during the conversation anymore


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PostPosted: Thu May 28, 2015 7:20 pm 
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Guys this is getting so much easier!!! :mrgreen:

The only thing is that school is out of session so my daily interaction has gone down significantly but it's forced me to be more diligent rather than spamming my efforts

I have noticed some things though that i wanted to share and possibly get some insight on

So I've been really approaching a honing my skills and so far it's been a whole lot of trial and error


Texting

It's important to have a solid interaction and it makes getting a response easier but I've noticed that the first text is always the most difficult. Some guys stress about it or think up some complicated way of getting an answer back, which in many ways is just needy.

I've experimented with both and I've found i at least have a 100% response rate when i try this. It's a small sample size but it's been working.

They say a picture says a thousand words and one of the issues i used to have was trying to write 1000 words in the first text. I noticed that i send my friends funny pictures or memes sporadically, even if i haven't seen them in awhile and i always get a response. So i decided to take that and try it on some girls that i was fairly certain i gamed pretty well.

I think of something funny we spoke about when i first interacted with her before i got her number. It can be an inside joke or related to it and i send it to her with a short blurb connecting it to her. It almost always get a response.

Example: I met a girl named April and i solidly set a date for the next day. I got her number and jokingly put her name in my phone as "April O'Neil" from the ninja turtles. I called her right there to make sure she got my number and stuck around an extra five minutes before saying our goodbyes. I texted her later that night with a picture of someones dorky car completely painted and modded up into a TMNT car and typed underneath it "No wonder you get pulled over all the time..." This both connected to the fact that i called her April O'Neil and to another part of the convo where she talked about getting pulled over earlier in the week. The text was met with a very enthusiastic response. More than your typical boring "Oh god he actually texted me" response. I joked one more time in the conversation and cut it off saying "See you for coffee tomorrow" and she responded "Absolutely!"

Hair Playing

Part of my problem is that I've never been very forward and usually limited myself to kino with hand and arm touching. Lately, once i've established a bit, i started playing with their hair a bit if it's down. I usually start by saying something like "Your hair looks soft" or "is that your natural hair color" and instead of waiting i just usually reach out and start touching it/running my fingers through it. At first i was so afraid that i would get outright rejected/punched in the face/ cops called on me but was really pleasantly surprised by how calming it actually is for most women. I do this, of course, after i've reached out and touched hands and her arm, but when i do this it almost guarantees that she'll be fine with me escalating a bit more/become very interested in talking to me more. I don't do it for very long but i intermittently keep it up at different points int he conversation with solid eye contact.

Hand Clasping

This was probably the first step i took. Most people grab hands or use the back of their hand to touch their arm or upper thigh, which i already do, but i've noticed a totally different dynamic happen when i interlock fingers with a women. I usually go with a high five and just kind of naturally, but dominantly, lock my fingers with hers briefly. It's almost become sort of an initial indicator whether or not she's interested. I'm sure it's not the only metric to gauge the interest of everyone but if i can seamlessly interlock my fingers with a girl i've noticed that they give me more time of day to continue escalating.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 09, 2015 9:00 pm 
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I thought I recognised the the user name...

you just made this thread; viewtopic.php?f=6&t=191003

What happened to this thread? did you give up?

Fuck Tinder off and get in the trenches and earn it you lazy nob head.

You're just sweeping your problems under the carpet and you know it. Tinder is to supplement a good foundation so sort your foundation out 1st

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 09, 2015 9:59 pm 
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I thought I recognised the the user name...

you just made this thread; viewtopic.php?f=6&t=191003

What happened to this thread? did you give up?

Fuck Tinder off and get in the trenches and earn it you lazy nob head.

You're just sweeping your problems under the carpet and you know it. Tinder is to supplement a good foundation so sort your foundation out 1st
I'm still approaching everyday. Got a few dates and I'm starting to get more comfortable escalating without thinking about it.

I just figured I'd cast a wider net rather than sparingly running into people over the summer


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 15, 2015 1:57 am 
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Back from the dead

So to update, I've actually found a way to live on campus so suddenly I have a lot more time to approach and I'm actually getting a lot better at accepting rejection. I thought i had other issues but it really stemmed from fear of being shut down.

In doing so, I've actually made out with a couple girls, and have gotten a few numbers.

Tonight, however, i hung out with a friend of mine and there was this really hot girl who actually showed me a bit of interest. I decided to go about it like i always have. My buddy went to the soda machine to get a drink and i began trying to build rapport since she practically opened for me. I was mid way through and my buddy came back just in time to pretty much watch me blow it out. Didn't phase me much, but my buddy pretty much said when we sat down "wow, you were really going after that hard huh?" i asked him what he meant and he said it was like i was rapid fire, and that it was impressive and he thought it took a lot of guts to joke and stack open ended questions like that, but that i should probably "save it for the bar, man"

So, maybe part of my problem is that i have a calibration/energy issue? I do have ADD, and now that i think of it, it does seem that sometimes i find myself fishing for conversation because all of a sudden they just stop fucking talking even though they seemed really interested?


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 15, 2015 2:06 am 
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Also, it seems like I have better luck with freshmen and somewhat quirky sophomores but juniors and senior girls seem to almost roll their eyes at me and go cold.


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