To me, pickup artistry is about people who generally have a problem meeting women and therefore adopt a new style of living enabling them to do so, using different tactics, conversational skills etc. namely by learning methods, mm and so forth. But now it seems from reading this forum that that style is now old fashioned and mostly ignored. I'll see a post from someone asking advice on a particular girl or a particular setting (bars, cafe etc) and 90% of replies just say "man up and tell her she's cute", which to me totally disregards a lot of things taught in pickup. If it's so simple to do that then why was the pick up arts even invented. Now I'm not at all saying that this advice is wrong. I'm just saying that no one seems to follow any sort of method these days. It's so easy to say "be your most attractive self and have confidence" but surely for a lot of guys the way to achieve that is through learning pickup.

I'm not really sure what my main question is here, just my thoughts, so feel free to discuss. Remember I'm not saying either way is right or wrong.

From my understanding..

The "original" Pick up community was formed by the "nerds" who couldn't get women in high school and so like "nerds" do, they developed a scientific approach with calculated steps to do what came naturally to other men for thousands of years. It was revenge of the nerds. They lied, pretended to be things they weren't, told false stories etc. All to impress and fuck the women shunned them earlier on in life.

Since then guys with more natural ability and guys that learned through using those old tactics have rose to the forefront, and realized that there weren't at all necessary. This shit is a lot easier than it was made to be by the guys that over complicated it in the first place.

I personally have gotten women my entire life. My first and only school suspension was in Pre_kindegarden for making out with a girl under the jungle gym. I got women all through grade school even as what some would call a "little child", my mom would talk to their mom and let me call the girls on the phone and everything. It wasn't until 4th grade when I developed a skin rash that I went on a 3 year hiatus from any real female interaction. I grew very insecure. Eventually I got over it as it was going away an by 7th grade I was back at it again. I had girls in high school, had girls in the year a spent in college, and have em now. My dad was a player, his dad was and so on. I was approaching girls on the street since I was 12-13 years old. Thats just what we did in the urban communities of NYC at the time.

So when I discovered this I was excited to see there was a community for something that was so natural to us as kids. I got involved immediately.

So i think what you're referring to is Non-traditional pick up. Because the pick up i've been involved in has been around far before there was a community. I was taught how to approach women by my dad. I remember watching him go at it when I was about 4-5 years old. And he is far older than the "pick up" community is.

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Traditional Pickup is less thought now but ime its just a swing in marketing. Generally from what I've seen in person and on forums, guys in pickup aren't getting better faster than when traditional was more popular nor are they getting more results. It's moved from a nerdy thing to a more philosophical thing really. Just do what works for you. You can be the nerd who uses tactics and had cheat sheets or the natural who meditates and reads self improvement books all the time.

I'm not sure which is best, the old school methods (read Mystery Method and others) or today's more natural approach. I think both have some value, and both lack some things. They complement each other very well though, especially if you have an analytic mind and are able to see the underlying meaning of things, and draw conclusions from that. But for the common AFC? I'm not sure...

My story goes like this... I grew up in a rather succesful family with very social parents. But they didn't teach me squat about girls, and I was a complete nerd myself. I have always been approached by girls, probably due to my looks, but I have always fucked everything up. I never knew what to do or what I did wrong, but every girl lost attraction after a while. Learning to be social and "normal" around people didn't help much. Out of pure desperation I stuck with whatever I got, and ended up in a 10 years long horrible relationship, that should never have lasted for more than two years if I only knew better. But I finally escaped...

Back in the game I was introduced to pickup by a friend, who actually gave me the best advice I ever got, even when compared to anything from Mystery, RSD, Love Systems and whatnot. It was simple things. Body language and tonality to begin with. Then some advice on how to approach and open in a way that eliminates rejections completely, in the sense that people always open up and give you some respectful response and talk to you. I've seen guys call a "no thanks" a rejection after asking "would you like to go grab a cup of coffee with me?". That's not a rejection to me, it's just a stupid question, too direct and too soon. Finally my friend gave me some words about the "emotional roller coaster", and I was on track.

By analysing MM and others, I started to solve the puzzle piece by piece. I realised what techniques was pure BS, and what was just some misinterpreted thing. Comparing everything I learned to how " normal" people behave, I soon found the underlying attitudes I needed in order to become naturally successful with girls.

So to me, all these old school techniques were the final pieces to my puzzle, even though I had some good foundation to build on. When I hang out with people today, I see the following:

1. PUAs who view things too technical, only talk game when out, misunderstanding everything.
2. Naturals who think they know their shit, successful people who one can consider "alpha", but when challenged don't have the same awareness and knowledge as a PUA, and not quite the same ability.