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PostPosted: Tue Apr 07, 2015 8:11 pm 
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TEXT GAME

I think text game deserves it's own colour, I'm thinking red.

Like I said, contemplating hitting the town tonight, even though night game is not really my thing. Just sent another text to the first (and only, since starting this journal) number I got after she hasn't replied for two weeks, heh guess I'm desperate...I said,

"Yeah I guess asking what you do for a living IS boring...so been on any amazing trips around birmingham or have you gone back yet?"

Would have also put in a little x if I'd thought about it.


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Is this a joke? Approaching strangers on the street?
This reply is a signal that you don't quite feel completely comfortable with a sense of entitlement to be engaging them. That's fine, that'll come as long as you keep going.

I do the same thing as you with regard to what goes in to your mind when a girl comes into view. In a few seconds I figure out what I am going to say and base it on whatever is going on in the immediate area. Then when I begin speaking to the girl, I behave toward her as though she the two of us have already hung out in the past.

The girls are bored. They would LOVE a confident guy such as yourself to come in to their lives. You are not bothering them in the least, you are brightening their lives.


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The girls are bored. They would LOVE a confident guy such as yourself to come in to their lives. You are not bothering them in the least, you are brightening their lives.
That's what I keep telling myself :P

NIGHT GAME

Essay Alert! Long story short, I didn't hook up with any girls tonight but got some social proof and potential future wing men if all goes to plan! Specific interactions with women bolded below.

The shit is on :P I went night game completely solo and exceeded my expectations, socially if not with the girls. I also managed to stay sober the whole night apart from like, two drinks.

First thing I did was go over to the bar and talk to the guy there. As far as the girls were concerned, my only line for the whole night was,

ME: "hey do you know what the best cocktails are?"
THEM (because it's so fucking loud, you have to scream in order to be heard): "WHAT?"

And then some chitchat ensues.

Chocolate PUA was right, though, most guys will relate to you and are much more willing to let you into their social circle with a simple, "so what football club do you support", or "so...I'm out to get the girls tonight, do you know where the single ladies are at?"

So one of the first things I did was use this opener on a bunch of guys. They were all from uni, and receptive to a little bit of small talk but I could sense they didn't really want me in their social circle (but by the end of the night they were high fiving me ;) ).

That's cool so I talked to the bouncer asked him some of the above basic questions, and he was a friendly bouncer not a nobhead bouncer so I talked for like a minute then wrapped up - "but yeah I can see you're probably busy tonight" - went and shouted "whoo!" at one of the extraverted girls dancing, she reciprocated, I showed of some of my moves ;), then I spun around a semi-attractive girl, she told me,

"It's my birthday"

So I said,

"Is it? Do you want a birthday kiss?"


She said yes, and I gave her a peck on the lips, and her girl friends applauded (which was kinda weird), but I tried to make eye contact with one of her friends who might have caught a flicker, then I walked back off to the bar to get some water and sip it slowly, relaxed as possible (I need to keep active!).

Then I see the same girl come over, I know I'm not interested in her, but I cruelly calculate that I might be able to use her to get into her social circle (no such luck!)

So she comes over with her friend and says hello, I think I did something douchey like say hello to her friend - who I preferred - first (or maybe not, I can't remember!). Then she is not saying much unlike her friend so I think, what a perfect moment to use a neg, and I just say,

ME: "I see so you are the strong silent type!"
HER (again, because it's so fucking loud): "WHAT?"
ME (louder): "I see so you are the strong silent type!"
HER: "I am not!"

She sees me again later in the night and tries to prove she is extraverted by being all like "WOOH!" so I concede that she must be one.


Then what, ok so I find some cool black guys and guess what I go up to them, lacey-straight white guy and ask what the best clubs in town are for pulling. They're dancing pretty fucking smooth, but I know I've got enough moves to fit in, and we're dancing for AGES. Then I get tired of dancing with guys and not getting with girls plus the self-conscientious "is everyone looking at this weird loner white guy trying to dance with smooth black guys".

For this reason I chill, get a drink (this time soft - two drink a night for this alkie!) and go talk to two other guys that I already spoke to early, I talk them into going some place else and we go somewhere that's much more crowded, but not really my scene if I'm brutally honest. I talk to one girl at the bar, but I'm doing the stupid thing again where my eye contact with her is so high I don't know what else is going on. The bartender got pissed off at me because he couldn't get my attention after I ordered a drink and she had to point that out, so I shrug it off and carry on talking and then the bar tender wants something else and the same thing happens then we carry on talking and I put the bar tender's change in my wallet carry on talking then she nudges my attention towards a pound coin I clumsily dropped on the floor because I was trying to act so smooth the whole time.

Then as she edges away she just kind of looks sorry for me - WHICH IS NOT WHAT I WANT! - but I shrug it off and try to keep a positive frame. I decide not to drink the drink because there was so much distraction, anyone could have spiked it and some guy around me is acting a bit shady to add to my paranoia. Then I start seeing guys from the other club high fiving me and shit because they saw me dancing which is awesome. After that, I meet my friends on the dance floor, do some more, low key dancing. Then I see a girl I chatted to earlier and she says that she saw me earlier, so I give her a spin on the dance floor then I go for the gentleman's kiss on the hand as I edge away to go to the bathroom but instead it's on the knuckles and a little bit sloppy. She gives me a smile and a raised eyebrow as I fuck off acting like nothing happened.

I see a girl having a picture taken with a friend so I go straight in with my arm around the girl. She seems to reciprocate but her friend doesn't and gives me the shove. I try win her over with the eyes and am nearly successful but then one of the guys I am with gives me a cheeky rib squeeze and I take it as a cue to fuck off. Then I am outside and these guys I am with are smoking and low and behold I see the black guys from earlier, he is pleased to see me and comes over and I introduce him to my friends whose names I have made an effort to remember. I see one of the older black guys when I walk back in and he is thrilled to see me.

After a while I decide that nothing is happening for me tonight so I walk off, the other guys are kinda by themselves anyway and it doesn't seem like they really want me around much longer. So after another glass of water I am walking home when low and behold I see the older black guy and he is like "YOU! I want your number" and he persuades me to go into the club with him even though I was about to go home. His younger black friends I was dancing with earlier but they are totally in the zone dancing and chatting up two hot white girls with blonde hair. I'm impressed by their game, even though I can see that they are not really sexually escalating with these girls, they have their attention and are managing to build rapport. Like I said I was about to go home and not really in the zone so I just dance low key in the sidelines.

Anyways, we go back to the original club I was at, it's still a bit dead, but I have a laugh. Those blonde girls have followed us in and some creep with terrible fashion sense comes in and makes a bad attempt to seduce these women. Eventually he says something and the girl spins around and punches him in the jaw but he hangs around. He tries to fist bump one of the guys I'm with but he won't do it. After a while he is still hanging around so I try to see if I can get him to leave, I just say "are you alright mate, want to go get a drink" even though I don't have any money. After all, he HAS just been punched in the jaw and his ego is probably a little downtrodden. He just turns around and says, "you know if all these white girls keep getting with these black guys there aren't going to be any white girls left, do you agree?".

At this point I start to awkwardly shuffle away - awkward! - and then he comes up and asks me again "Do you agree?" and I just say "no". Because there is no point being associated any more with this creep than the extent to which I have already associated myself by going over to try and make him feel better about the situation. One of his friends comes over and tries to pick up one of these girl, he is a hell of a lot smoother but he gets shut down anyway. But then his friend uses this moment to pull his friend away and it seems to work, so hey maybe it was just part of the plan :P

Anyway, I approach one more girl with the cocktail line, get a bit of rapport going and then one of her friends makes a loud noise that distracts her and yeah, that's me blown out :P So I go back over to my new friends and then after a bit we leave and we start to walk home together (as far as these guys need to go before they walk in a different direction). One of them wants to get my number to stay in touch and says we should go clubbing again and that he is totally into hooking up with women and that, so we exchange numbers and then walk on home. Anyway the whole time he's massively talkative, and I'm just nodding, "yuh-huh, gotcha mate", occasionally asking a question or relating to some experience he has with one of my own. Quite passive really but them I'm tired as fuck and naturally I AM an introvert, so I can't keep the extravert facade going ALL night :P He says I'm a nice guy and I just hope I haven't been [ur="http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Nice_Guy_syndrome"]THAT kind of nice guy [/url]if you know what I mean. But I take it as a compliment anyways. I'll text the guy tomorrow, so hope he doesn't flake on me like all these women do :P

Self-Analysis: I don't think there's much to say - apart from the odd gimmick I was pretty much just being myself which is kind of the point of natural game! I would just say that there were a few occasions where I had IOIs but didn't act on them and a few occasions where I thought of an approach and used it but I hesitated too much in using the approach. I think also one of the things I do a little too much is try and get close to the girls on the dance floor and take this indirect approach to getting their attention. It only works a little bit and probably comes across as too passive and indirect.


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NIGHT GAME 09/04/2015

Yeah tonight was a bit of a disaster, gonna stay away from night game for a bit unless I get my wingmen sorted out. I started out somewhere that does cheesy pop music and there's hardly anyone there and only one attractive enough girl to approach. Most of the people there are old and I would leave but I've already paid a bit to get in so figure I might as well have a stab. The guy who gives out toiletries tells me it will pick up in a bit and it does a little. I use some dance moves to try and engage some guys sitting down to no avail but then I notice people seen me making a fool out of myself so now they are not afraid to make fools of themselves and dance.

It's fine and I dance flirtatiously with some girls I'm not interested in and then before I know it some middle aged man's parading around insisting that I should make a move on these girls. Then some woman keeps dancing in my face and won't take the hint to fuck off so I move to a different part of the dance floor.

Eventually I manage to isolate the girl I'm interested in at the bar, I tell her,

"You know green's the devil's colour?"

Because she is wearing a green dress. She agrees with me unlike the girls I tried this line on outside so that is a plus, and we make some chitchat but I don't really have the time to think interesting responses like I do OK cupid. She leaves when I get my drink and I try to dance with her but it doesn't work. I manage to get some dancing in with a girl I'm not interested in and her friends look impressed like they did when I tried this before, so that's good.

I'm seeing a common theme here: I'm getting more success with girls I'm less interested in which is maybe a signal I should lower my standards I guess. But I don't want to do that just yet.


Ok, so now I try my 'banter with the lads' lines to see if I can get some social proof but from here until the end of the night it just comes across as desperate. I make some pleasant chitchat with someone from south wales and I relate to that with my own experiences so this is good. But he is just a guy out with his girlfriend and a few other girls who by the looks on their faces don't want to know me!

So I wrap that up, try and talk with a few Asian lads but they only engage me to be polite. Ok, so I decide to go some place else. Again I get a bit of polite engagement with some Europeans at a different bar and they are with some hot girls. One of them gives me a fucking ugly look though. So I go over to a group of them at the bar and ask one of them the old

"what do you think are the best cocktails to drink here?"

She says she doesn't know. (This bar doesn't even sell cocktails, so it's a lame line but I can't think of anything better at this point).

But I manage to engage her a bit anyway and when one of her (smoking hot) friends interrupts to do 'cheers' I cheekily put my glass in there too which seems to go down well. But then I try to continue to build rapport anyways but she can't hear what I say and leaves to be with her friends


I try to get more social status talking to the guys but it just comes across needy and desperate, I know I'm fucking up so I leave and then that girl who gave me an ugly look earlier gives me a patronising hand gesture to leave, so I give her a patronising hand gesture back before I go.

At this point I don't know if I can stand it for much longer, I go sit down somewhere private next to a fountain, chill out for a few moments and then convince myself to do just one more bar. I walk in, chin up, chest out, jacket under my arm, bouncer gives me a look of respect, I say hello to a few people then get a drink. I spot a guy not talking to anyone and try the usual lines, he says he will sort me out if I get him a drink and I get a weird feeling to trust him but in the end I don't and then just end up going home because I'm all paranoid that someone might have spiked my drink. Which they hadn't because I'm sat here typing this now :P So yeah.


Anyway in short it's really hard to analyse all this objectively. I mean, there's times where I just like to think I'm the boss and I'm reading all the cues correctly and what I'm doing is fine so I should be getting laid (but then in practice I'm not!). Then there's other times I'm just freaking out about what people are thinking of me and most of this is probably just in my head as well but I find it really fucking hard to let go of these ideas that people are looking at me thinking "who's this weirdo"!

If I had the social networking to just go down a more indirect social route, I really would do it but it's surprisingly hard to find the right clubs and activities and meet the right people. I mean I'm already getting out there with a few things but in terms of women I'm just not getting any results. Nights like these just make me think, "what am I doing? who am I kidding?" and I just feel like quitting all this shit together. I keep trying to be positive, telling myself it's not the girls' fault if I can't do this shit right and that it's up to them who they choose to sleep with but I just can't help feeling that resentment towards them deep down, you know? It just comes up at times when I'm trying to take my mind of pick-up and think about more normal stuff but I can't stop all these negative feelings as much as I try to keep a strong frame and relaxed state of mind - breathing, exercising, doing yoga, going to the gym and all that. I just keep thinking, "what is so wrong with me that I keep getting shut down by all these girls?"

And my mum says things like "you know shy guys like you should go to Thailand to get laid" and it makes me feel resentful to her and puts me off the idea of ever going to Thailand or meeting Thai girls because I don't like the idea that that's the only way I can get laid. And it's all stupid to think this stuff I know. But I'm thinking that maybe that is the route I will go down because there's no way in hell I'm going to stay a virgin my whole life and if even going down the Thailand route doesn't work then fuck it, I'll get a prostitute. But I won't be happy about it, and I know that in the future I will never truly feel honor or respect to women if that's the route I end up taking.

You probably think that's all narrow minded pigshit and I don't blame you, I think it myself. The one reason why I'm probably not having any success with women is because they can sense these negative attitudes and such a selective bias towards certain girls. If I'm still not having success a year from now, then I know exactly why it is. And fuck it, some people say you should keep trying until you succeed but I believe that sometimes a man's just got to walk away when it gets too much. Which it is starting to.


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My suggestion would be to pick one method, daygame (as you've not shown a liking to nightgame and you've stated that online game is not where you want to meet women), and have your focus be on getting good at that.

Focusing your concentration in one area can allow you to gain the insights that will not scatter your thoughts, but rather propel you forward where you want to go much faster.

Re: Thailand, I agree with your instincts on this, just no. From what you've said about yourself, you have all the tools you need. You just need to develop the gift of gab and the ability for the girls to see you as a potential option from the start.

From what I can tell you've just started and just got your first daygame # like a week and a half ago. You know how long it takes some guys to even get a #? Your ego is trying to protect you by telling you to stop getting better at this. Your ego wants the status quo. Your ego doesn't want you to get laid. You need to push through all that and take control so you stop sabotaging yourself.

It takes work to get the result you want. Whether you end up becoming the person you dream to be or not all depends on you. So get to work.
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it's not the girls' fault if I can't do this shit right
Good self-awareness and insight. This is exactly right. As soon as you start seeing success you will realize that it wasn't their fault at all; you'll see the world as sort of a game. And hopefully you will have a deep sense of compassion and love for others as you go forward.
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The one reason why I'm probably not having any success with women is because they can sense these negative attitudes
Agreed. Since WOMEN ARE MIRRORS if you hold contempt for them they will sure as shit mirror that right back to you.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 09, 2015 10:26 pm 
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NIGHT GAME 09/04/2015

Yeah tonight was a bit of a disaster, gonna stay away from night game for a bit unless I get my wingmen sorted out. I started out somewhere that does cheesy pop music and there's hardly anyone there and only one attractive enough girl to approach. Most of the people there are old and I would leave but I've already paid a bit to get in so figure I might as well have a stab. The guy who gives out toiletries tells me it will pick up in a bit and it does a little. I use some dance moves to try and engage some guys sitting down to no avail but then I notice people seen me making a fool out of myself so now they are not afraid to make fools of themselves and dance.

It's fine and I dance flirtatiously with some girls I'm not interested in and then before I know it some middle aged man's parading around insisting that I should make a move on these girls. Then some woman keeps dancing in my face and won't take the hint to fuck off so I move to a different part of the dance floor.

Eventually I manage to isolate the girl I'm interested in at the bar, I tell her,

"You know green's the devil's colour?"

Because she is wearing a green dress. She agrees with me unlike the girls I tried this line on outside so that is a plus, and we make some chitchat but I don't really have the time to think interesting responses like I do OK cupid. She leaves when I get my drink and I try to dance with her but it doesn't work. I manage to get some dancing in with a girl I'm not interested in and her friends look impressed like they did when I tried this before, so that's good.

I'm seeing a common theme here: I'm getting more success with girls I'm less interested in which is maybe a signal I should lower my standards I guess. But I don't want to do that just yet.


Ok, so now I try my 'banter with the lads' lines to see if I can get some social proof but from here until the end of the night it just comes across as desperate. I make some pleasant chitchat with someone from south wales and I relate to that with my own experiences so this is good. But he is just a guy out with his girlfriend and a few other girls who by the looks on their faces don't want to know me!

So I wrap that up, try and talk with a few Asian lads but they only engage me to be polite. Ok, so I decide to go some place else. Again I get a bit of polite engagement with some Europeans at a different bar and they are with some hot girls. One of them gives me a fucking ugly look though. So I go over to a group of them at the bar and ask one of them the old

"what do you think are the best cocktails to drink here?"

She says she doesn't know. (This bar doesn't even sell cocktails, so it's a lame line but I can't think of anything better at this point).

But I manage to engage her a bit anyway and when one of her (smoking hot) friends interrupts to do 'cheers' I cheekily put my glass in there too which seems to go down well. But then I try to continue to build rapport anyways but she can't hear what I say and leaves to be with her friends


I try to get more social status talking to the guys but it just comes across needy and desperate, I know I'm fucking up so I leave and then that girl who gave me an ugly look earlier gives me a patronising hand gesture to leave, so I give her a patronising hand gesture back before I go.

At this point I don't know if I can stand it for much longer, I go sit down somewhere private next to a fountain, chill out for a few moments and then convince myself to do just one more bar. I walk in, chin up, chest out, jacket under my arm, bouncer gives me a look of respect, I say hello to a few people then get a drink. I spot a guy not talking to anyone and try the usual lines, he says he will sort me out if I get him a drink and I get a weird feeling to trust him but in the end I don't and then just end up going home because I'm all paranoid that someone might have spiked my drink. Which they hadn't because I'm sat here typing this now :P So yeah.


Anyway in short it's really hard to analyse all this objectively. I mean, there's times where I just like to think I'm the boss and I'm reading all the cues correctly and what I'm doing is fine so I should be getting laid (but then in practice I'm not!). Then there's other times I'm just freaking out about what people are thinking of me and most of this is probably just in my head as well but I find it really fucking hard to let go of these ideas that people are looking at me thinking "who's this weirdo"!

If I had the social networking to just go down a more indirect social route, I really would do it but it's surprisingly hard to find the right clubs and activities and meet the right people. I mean I'm already getting out there with a few things but in terms of women I'm just not getting any results. Nights like these just make me think, "what am I doing? who am I kidding?" and I just feel like quitting all this shit together. I keep trying to be positive, telling myself it's not the girls' fault if I can't do this shit right and that it's up to them who they choose to sleep with but I just can't help feeling that resentment towards them deep down, you know? It just comes up at times when I'm trying to take my mind of pick-up and think about more normal stuff but I can't stop all these negative feelings as much as I try to keep a strong frame and relaxed state of mind - breathing, exercising, doing yoga, going to the gym and all that. I just keep thinking, "what is so wrong with me that I keep getting shut down by all these girls?"

And my mum says things like "you know shy guys like you should go to Thailand to get laid" and it makes me feel resentful to her and puts me off the idea of ever going to Thailand or meeting Thai girls because I don't like the idea that that's the only way I can get laid. And it's all stupid to think this stuff I know. But I'm thinking that maybe that is the route I will go down because there's no way in hell I'm going to stay a virgin my whole life and if even going down the Thailand route doesn't work then fuck it, I'll get a prostitute. But I won't be happy about it, and I know that in the future I will never truly feel honor or respect to women if that's the route I end up taking.

You probably think that's all narrow minded pigshit and I don't blame you, I think it myself. The one reason why I'm probably not having any success with women is because they can sense these negative attitudes and such a selective bias towards certain girls. If I'm still not having success a year from now, then I know exactly why it is. And fuck it, some people say you should keep trying until you succeed but I believe that sometimes a man's just got to walk away when it gets too much. Which it is starting to.

Damn man I wish I was in the UK so I could come and wing you personally. I've done the solo game thing but it is more reassuring when you're with a wing. Two recommendations:

1. Check for a wing on the boards, I found a really great wing who lived close to me where I was. Organize some nights out.
2. If you do go out solo, try to go to crowded events/venues.
3. If you do go out solo and you're loooking for insta-wings, try the single guys or guys who are obviously scoping out the girls.

Don't get discouraged. You're GOING to have your bad days, days when you make 20 approaches and none of them hook. The key is to always HAVE FUN, enjoy and amuse YOURSELF. Be a fun person!

Where in the UK are you at anyway?


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OceanX I replied to via pm, thanks for the framework btw man and I will keep those suggestions in mind for next time.

Chocolate PUA,
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Damn man I wish I was in the UK so I could come and wing you personally. I've done the solo game thing but it is more reassuring when you're with a wing.
Yeah something about the vibe you give off when solo is just way more nervey. I went again tonight but I had my wings this time got a kiss and talked/danced with a few girls but no more. I think part of it is I just want to challenge myself see if I'm up for going solo, you know. Still it's not like I'm with my wings the WHOLE time and when I approach I go solo. I just need the social proof you know, so people don't think I'm some kind of rapist mass murdering psychopath lol.

One of the biggest reservations I have about night game though is that I tend to cop out of direct approach in favour of indirect non-verbal game - eye-contact, dancing, touch, etc.

But yeah I actually like being in the club when I've got my buddies. I don't know if I'm dancing good the whole time but people compliment me now and then, and I got kudos for getting that kiss, so I must be doing something right :P

Hardest thing about being in a club is you don't get heard though. I was trying to drop a few lines on a girl at the bar but she was just like, I can't hear you you're too drunk and I'd had like one drink. It doesn't help when you've got an accent as strong as mine. I've tried exercises and vocal projection and stuff and my voice is a lot more comprehensible now than it used to be but it's still an effort.

I think I've come along way just in terms of body language, personality, confidence and authority since I started game a few years ago. It's just as well I've been surrounded by the right people since I came out of my introvert shell. But it's been a long, slow painful process and still feels like I've got a way to go in all honesty.

I totally mean what I said though about translating my online game conversation material into real life, I'd get so much more results. I know that what we say isn't as important as the delivery but I honestly believe the things I'd say would be more interesting and I'd have more confidence in them for that reason.
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Two recommendations:

1. Check for a wing on the boards, I found a really great wing who lived close to me where I was. Organize some nights out.
2. If you do go out solo, try to go to crowded events/venues.
3. If you do go out solo and you're loooking for insta-wings, try the single guys or guys who are obviously scoping out the girls.

Where in the UK are you at anyway?
Hey man I'd tell you this but I want to keep my location confidential. I'll tell you via PM though if you really want to know.

Thanks for the heads up guys (ChocolatePUA / OceanX). I think I just needed to get stuff off my chest after a burn out, tonight made me feel a lot better.

Best - JHA91


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TEXT GAME

The girl from the start of my journal is still texting to my surprise (when she didn't text for about a fortnight I thought I was done for sure :P). But she still takes like a day or something ridiculous to reply even when I just reply straight away. I play my game aggressive just put the cards out straight on the table and just hope that it get's interpreted as "I'm not playing any games" rather than "I'm needy and desperate I have nothing better to do than text you the minute I get your response". She could genuinely be busy when she's taking this long to reply or she could just be stringing me along, it's kind of hard to say.

She said she went to the highlands (scottish mountain region) and I said something like,

"yeah we should go hiking together ;)."

She just said,

"maybe x" and asked what kind of things I'm into.

Thing is I'm into all kinds of boyish shit like pick-up, MMA, boxing, clubbing and I don't want to be like

"yeah girl at day I'm pumping iron at night I'm pumping the pussay"

but at the same time I don't want to be like,

"ooh well, I like coffee at starbucks and fruit smoothies and when I eat I go to vegetarian cafes while having a sneak peak at the latest celebrity gossip on cosmopolitan"

either.

So I'm just like,

"just chillin' out clubbing 4 am with strangers"

Then she doesn't respond for a couple of hours, so I'm like

"...but I also do normal stuff like jazz piano, reading books, watching Netflix"

and hopes she gets the subtle humour but simultaneously realising I'm not a complete freak with zero approach anxiety when it comes to girls.

So now she's saying that she likes piano too and that she plays guitar and gym and stuff and I'm just thinking all this stuff is so mundane and trivial if I ever saw her again for a date or something I don't think I could spark that flame, you know. She's just too middle class and uppity but at the same time she's the only person I'm texting at the moment and I know that sometimes you've just got to be a little sensitive if you want to pull out that more adventurous side in a person.

So for the time being I'm just going down the normal boring route so she doesn't think I'm COMPLETELY insane,

"cool so what guitar do you play?"

I could have offered to teach piano since she is learning but she shut down my last attempt to seal a date so now I'm playing it cool. I just wish I had other girls on the go, you know. It makes this kind of thing easier and you come across as more cool/casual. But she's still texting so that's the main thing right now I guess.


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-What a roller coaster day! First, I found out that I've inherited 90 million dollars. Then I found out that I've got terminal cancer and only have a few months to live!
Haha you have to understand that in that other thread I was going through a rough patch in my life. But you're right, in the end I took on board what you guys told me and I just thought to myself, "you know, I'm not getting any success with this mentality, time to switch things up".

Anyways social proof wise I met a guy at the gym who saw me clubbing and might be willing to go out sometime so it's good that I'm branching out a bit because I don't like to be too dependent on one group of people if you get me! Don't think I'm going to run any game today/tonight but we'll see how things go.


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FIELD REPORT

One of my wings flaked on me tonight so I decided to stay in and have a cup of hot chocolate and go to bed until I suddenly felt some inspiration to capitalise on one of the busiest nights of the week. God damn shower wasn't working so I washed my hair over the sink got a nice shirt and leather jacket and took a walk around town to make some approaches. The clubs were absolutely jam packed and hot girls and aggressive men were roaming the streets of the concrete jungle, enough to make a grown man cry and run back home to mama. I collected my nerves (not so bad these days) took a walk up and down the busiest street made two approaches, took a walk down to Costa for a hot chocolate, drank it, returned and made another two approaches.

I didn't go into any clubs: why waste money walking into a club to awkwardly dance in a reserved manner; be a wallflower; waste one third of the night looking for wingmen; waste one third at the bar getting drinks to ease the social awkwardness and waste the final third making non-sensical conversations with girls who can't hear you and don't WANT to hear you because they've got their guard up against guys trying to approach. Makes no sense right? That's what I figured.

So since I didn't go to any clubs it wasn't non-verbal night game but it wasn't exactly the kind of stereotypical day game where you ask European girls if they prefer caramel lattes over mochaccinos either. This was the kind of verbal game where you approach girls in fierce red lipstick, classy dresses and high heels - the kind of girls that are being hit on left right and centre so you feel more at ease to approach in public without a second glance...and at the same time they have their guards up and they aren't interested in the riff-raff so you better say something interesting.

Anyways, enough waffle,

#APPROACH 1:

I walked past two girls semi-attractive, 6s maybe 7s at a push (harsh, I know):

ME: Y'alright? (nothing better comes to mind but in my mind I sound smooth and I'm still sober so I trust my judgment :P)
HER (awkward laugh, maybe partially interested)
: Y'alright!?[/b]

I could have dropped a line but struggling for anything interesting to say...and I know I'm not that interested plus they're probably not that interested either so moving along swiftly avoiding that lamp post in the middle of the street...

HER: Mind that lamp post!
HER FRIEND, MUTTERING: He can see the lamp post, you don't need to warn him!


Cute.

#APPROACH 2:
Two girls and an older lady who I take it is their mum. I don't normally approach girls with their mum but an out of the ordinary line comes to mind: she stops to take her heels off and a dead cheesy line comes to my mind...

wait a second that line's way to corny to use

Says my subconscious

wait...did you say something about using the line?

My conscious replies,

And so I use the line, but by now the girls back is turned and she can't hear it so no use,

ME: You know that's the problem with having elegance, you have to take your heels off

Of course, if I'd said it properly while I still had the front of her to look at, I would have said,

ME: You know, that's the problem with having STYLE, you have to sacrifice COMFORT

But that's what happens when you hesitate, you overanalyse and you muck things up. Again, it's not the 3 second rule, it really is the 0.5 second rule!

If not 0.2...

#APPROACH 3:

Sexy girl in ripped jeans. She's not your run of the mill cushy red lipstick upstreet girl in stinking perfume and a dress to impress. Maybe she will be more chill and laid-back about a well-mannered approach ;)

ME: Hey, I like the style, who said ripped jeans...
HER: I like YOUR style, YOUR style is amazing!


...And I'm speechless but she is already walking away. It's like I've been shut down in the nicest and most respectful possible way in my pick-up career of 3 years :P

I would have said,

"who said ripped jeans are out of fashion",

but it's a lame line anyways.

I like this girl, it's a shame really. Moving on...

#APPROACH 4:

Girl in a flowery dress surrounded by friends, eating a baguette and a line someone used in one of my threads "Situational Openers" was the only thing that came to mind.

Standing about four inches away I looked her dead in the eye and said,

ME: Excuse me miss, [D'OH!] can I have a bite of that baguette?
HER (sniggering): No...!


And there you have it four botched approaches out of 20 possible approaches I could have made but pussied out. Still that's an extra bonus four attempts on top of my minimum 3 attempts weekly. I think I'm gonna have to boost that minimum number from 3 to 9. 3 is too easy.

Way too easy.


ANALYSIS:

Ok, so like I said before this kind of game is a lot easier for me than day game because it's easier to approach when every other guy on the street is doing the same thing...so in a way I'm pussying out by doing it this way.

BUT I wasn't doing it as a SUBSTITUTE for day game so that is alright. (Like I said minimum day game requirements have already been met).

One thing I said earlier and still applies is my approaches need a little more aggression:

- The first girl/s I could have said something, ANYTHING else, e.g. "sooooo...how's it going". Better than just walking off and almost bumping into a lamp post (I've seriously got to stop doing that!).
- The second girl, I should have used that line when it came into my head. I might have actually got somewhere with that - approaching with confidence, open body language and vocal projection. "Yeah you're out partying with her mum/aunty/older sister/whoever but I'm not going to let that deter me" is the vibe I should have gone for.
- The third girl...well she was something else. I don't know, maybe I could have just been like "WOOOOH! COME AND PARTY!!!"
- Girl number four ... meh I don't really care much for this one anyways.

Ok so that was tonight's/this early morning's day and night game crossover thingamajig.

Enjoy.


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I've lost almost 300 games.
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I've failed over and over again in my life.
And that is why I succeed."


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TEXT GAME

Man this girl still hasn't replied.

If she bothers to respond at all I swear I'm not texting back for like a fucking week.

She's obviously not that bothered or she would be trying just a teensy bit harder.


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Hey there Jha!

Wall of text incoming.
I really enjoyed reading your journal, well written and plain interesting really.
It is good to see how you're actively improving your game, getting a wingman would be a huge boost for you. Also, with a wingman it is easier to feel more comfortable, so I respect your courage to go out alone. Kudos! If you're ever in The Netherlands, let me know.

As far as your game is concerned, I wont say anything about online or text game.
Your day game:
It seems like you're percieved as a bit nervous by most women, try and improve your body language and that will pass. Also, I've noticed that you're a bit focussed on yourself sometimes during game. Try and make conversation before showing interest. That makes the girl a bit more receptive for talking and it is a bit better for beginners in my opinion. For the more direct game the confidence is even more important than for indirect. I do however think that daygame is quite challenging in a mental way, so great that you go out to do it. Remember to capatalize on IOI's though. Think of something to talk about after opening as well.

Your club game:
You are definitely doing the right things without a wingman. Building social proof before talking to girls, being the friend of everybody is impossible, but people see you having fun talking to the guys and they see the guys having fun talking to you. That simply makes you interesting. Your 2 drink maximum is great for gaming by the way. Being sober lets you be a little more analytical. You claim to have problems with girls youre interested in. This is a form of AA. Your mental game is great to deal with rejection, but just keep trying and you will get used to the patterns. PUA's didnt become as good as they are over night.
It also seems you're getting a lot of shit- and compliance-tests. Do not give up too easily. If they get mad at you, they're in an emotional state of mind, which you can turn around. Like daygame though, your confidence will improve and you will be able to talk to the more challenging sets. Just test your limits some more. I have an example for that about myself yesterday, I was out on my own as well.

I was getting a drink for myself and noticed a girl, about an 8, had a pricetag on her shirt, we crossed eyes and she looked very cold towards me. I told her, you know... You seem interesting and all, so I wanted to ask you something. I cant take you serious though, you're so chaotic! After that I made fun of her price tag a bit, in a very playful manner. The cold turned into heat and I started hanging backwards onto the bar a bit and she was leaning over trying to talk to me, seeking approval. Ended up being a number close. Almost a kiss close, but got blocked by the mother hen.

When I'm out on my own, my confidence is not that amazing, so I compensated that by giving a few negs like this.

Overall, I think what you're doing is an example to anyone here. If you want to improve your game, you need to go out! Keep up the good work and the journal, I'll keep reading and give you my feedback.

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Hey there Jha!
Hola Mich!

I'm about to do a list of things that I have learned in this thread so some of your suggestions will be included but I want to thank you in advance for posting here. If you have a little time would you also be kind enough to post in my situational openers thread because I think the thread has potential but need to get the ball rolling!

situational-openers-vt189416.html

Anyway,
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I really enjoyed reading your journal, well written and plain interesting really.
Thank you for the compliment, I'm just trying to spice things up really. If you think about things creatively outside the field your approach will be more creative INfield, or at least that is the way I see it.
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It is good to see how you're actively improving your game, getting a wingman would be a huge boost for you. Also, with a wingman it is easier to feel more comfortable, so I respect your courage to go out alone. Kudos! If you're ever in The Netherlands, let me know.
You're absolutely right, it is ten times easier with a wingman! The more successful nights out solo I was able to secure an insta-wing. Sometimes though you end up hooked together with the wrong personality type and your styles just don't gel. So it is important to have a wide social circle and the confidence to approach and talk to lots of people (guys and girls) solo. This is something I need to work on.
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As far as your game is concerned, I wont say anything about online or text game.
Haha probably just as well since most of my online game involves trolling unsuspecting female victims thousands of miles away from me...Although some of them deserve it ;)

ME: Far left of what man kind or free markets? (because she said on her profile she was far left)
HER: You're white.
ME: L
ME: O
ME: FUCKING
ME: LOL
HER: ....hahahaha alright.


or another girl


HER: Sorry in the delay I couldn't get on the app I am lost lol
ME: you're gonna have to remind me what the message was because I've had to delete a few x
HER: Ey-o. One
ME: oh you replied to that one? most girls don't reply to that one. interesting. x
HER: I know it was debatable. And Oi I want a personalised first message not a repeat.
ME: I'll see what I can do x

(probably won't bother)

and another cutie pie in a purple top



ME: those puppy dog eyes...
HER: Well I must admit that's a first...
ME: I can't help it I'm just a bit of a cheeky monkey
HER: No no u misunderstood. I've never heard my eyes referred to as puppy eyes lol
ME: ok sorry you have eyes like a monkey
HER: Hahaha nice come back!
ME: touche
HER: So do tell me about ur music
ME: well since you asked, please don't feel too obligated to click on a certain link below
[LINK BLANKED OUT FOR CONFIDENTIALITY PURPOSES]
HER: Hahaha okay if u say so
ME: sooo any thoughts
HER: I like it a lot. It's very relaxing something I could easily read a book to
ME: thank you I'm trying to create that chill SPAM jazz club vibe with my fuzzy sound recording and meandering improvised melodies and blue notes. hope the book you're reading matches the picture I'm building. I'm imagining some big sunshades covering those big blue eyes while you lie on a sunbed watching the surf go by with some giant headphones listening to my music under a huge beach umbrella reading that book of yours.
HER: Well now that could certainly work for me! Sounds like paradise
ME: great! x
HER: U pain a pretty good picture x
ME: I know I'm artistic and creative like that. In fact I think I'm gonna go do a drawing of those giant puppy dog eyes.
HER: Hahaha and would I be able to see this drawing?
ME: nah I just got bored then started picturing you in a tank top
HER: Hahaha and that's not inspiring?
ME: the greatest work of art
HER: Haha nd how would u know
ME: because this is me & u we're talking
HER: I'm confused
ME: you in a tank top + my artistic creativity = the greatest work of art
HER: And is it safe to assume it will be a painting?


And that was the last I contacted. So basically fucking with people's minds seems to get the most replies which is slightly concerning...


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Your day game:
It seems like you're percieved as a bit nervous by most women, try and improve your body language and that will pass. Also, I've noticed that you're a bit focussed on yourself sometimes during game. Try and make conversation before showing interest. That makes the girl a bit more receptive for talking and it is a bit better for beginners in my opinion. For the more direct game the confidence is even more important than for indirect. I do however think that daygame is quite challenging in a mental way, so great that you go out to do it. Remember to capatalize on IOI's though. Think of something to talk about after opening as well.
You're right I am a bit nervous, I think I am worried about how I will be perceived not just by women but onlookers too. This is especially the case since I'm trying to promote my music locally and build up a social networking. I don't want to build a reputation as creep who asks strangers for their phone numbers, so this is part of the reason why I've put so much thought into my ethical approach (no commenting on appearance, nothing profain, etc., etc.). It is possible that I am showing interest to soon but I try to convey that interest non-verbally (gunwitch method) than verbally. Like I said earlier I see myself as a salesman that lays his cards on the table: he demonstrates his interest directly while showing social awareness and without appearing too needy or desperate. Another part of the reason is that I tend to blag and ask for the number as a way of closing the conversation once the awkward silences start to kick in. So yeah, you're right, this is something to work on.

IOI's before an approach are quite rare though to be honest and when you do receive them the window of opportunity is quite slim - i.e. you have to act there and then. With a cold approach I am looking to get the girls attention through unobtrusive eye contact (laid-back/casual 'glazing' over the girl's face) and open body language. It's interesting how some of this body language carries over into my regular interactions in fact, I have to put a lid on the bottle in fact so that I do not appear too manipulative or psychologically invasive in more casual interactions. It's a tricky balance.
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Your mental game is great to deal with rejection, but just keep trying and you will get used to the patterns.
That's a good point actually. Sometimes I am so focussed on recovering from the mental burn-out of a rejection that I am better getting back on my feet than actually walking, so to speak. So the answer to this is again a more aggressive/less recovery-oriented style of game. If I just focus on making a lot of interactions the recovery from burn-outs will probably happen naturally anyway because it's so thoroughly ingrained in my mind how to deal with a rejection properly.
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It also seems you're getting a lot of shit- and compliance-tests.
Yeah it's kind of weird, the initial knee-jerk reaction of most women seems to be "no, I don't want to talk to this guy I don't know him" and then it's "oh well, actually he's kind of interesting" and then when there is a lapse in my game the attitude shifts to, "no, his confidence isn't all that congruent, but he made a good attempt, I guess". In actual fact, the way I see it is that lapses and peaks in positive energy are going to be quite inevitable in any human interaction. Women are used to letting the man lead and take control of these interactions so when someone like me demands something of value to be contributed in return, they are not quite sure how to deal with this different style.
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Do not give up too easily. If they get mad at you, they're in an emotional state of mind, which you can turn around.
One of the hardest things and most recurring issues in a club is when you are just having success with a girl and then her friend drags her away. Often this will be done just when there is a dip in energy as described above.
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Almost a kiss close, but got blocked by the mother hen.
I feel for you mate.

The other night I was in a club using non-verbal game. I saw a 5"6 HB 7/10 on the dance floor and tried to use dance moves to get eye contact. Her initial reaction was negative ("what is this guy trying to pull") and her friend gave me an odd star so I just looked her friend straight in the eye raised an eyebrow like the Rock and gave her a cheeky smirk until she looked away. At that point I was able to elicit attraction with the other girl (7/10), impressed by my non-verbal game.

But I had a glass of vodka coke in my hand and she was moving really close in so the back of my hand was touching her boobs. Kino wise this was obviously a very advantageous situation but logistically it was a disaster because the hand provided a barricade to kissing her. I managed to kiss close but it was a very brief open mouth kiss with a bit of lip bite. Would have gone much better without the glass to be honest. So I tried to redeem the situation first by making convo, but she wasn't impressed by my line and then my attempt to continue non-verbal game.

I briefly turned away to talk to my wing who was waiting for an opportunity to praise my efforts (social proof and also using push/pull - giving the girl some space). After this I was trying to find another way to spark attraction because I felt it could be done but her friend who was trying to cockblock before moved in and dragged her away.

So yeah, sometimes these small things happen that are just out of our control. I think that the situation with the glass of vodka coke could have been recovered if I hadn't resorted to more lame tactics and just moved in direct. Put my hand on her hip or something. I think what got me back on the gimmicks was the fact they were successful in diffusing the girls' friend.

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Overall, I think what you're doing is an example to anyone here. If you want to improve your game, you need to go out! Keep up the good work and the journal, I'll keep reading and give you my feedback.
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Thanks again mate, I'm actually going to increase my number of day game approaches starting from next week because three is not enough.


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