I'm new, and I'm here to learn the ropes from the gurus about seducing total strangers.

But I also want to get it on with a couple of women I already know. One I've dated briefly, one I've been friends with for a long time.

The one I dated briefly dumped me because of family & peer pressure(her family and friend doesn't approve of me) and she's just started seeing someone again(for a couple months now), and I want her back as a FBuddy.

The other one is someone from another city I've been talking to for the last year, and been trying to get her to be interested in dating me to no avail. We can talk about anything under the sun, and we know intimate details about each other, but she just doesn't seem to want to date me. On several occasions I thought I go through to her, and she seem excited about coming to see me, but then she became aloof and uninterested. Maybe her friends are cockblocking me, I don't know.

Any advice and insight would be greatly appreciated.

Why don't her friends or family approve of you?

Have you ever tried escalating with the other girl and get the kiss?

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She's from a well-to-do family while I'm not. We're also more than 10 years apart in age.
We haven't met yet as we live in different cities. I've tried to get her to either come meet me or me go meet her but she doesn't seem too enthused about it. I'm worried that I'll waste my money going to see her if all she does is see me as a friend.

Hi Hank,

I gave you some advice in your other thread as well -

First of all work on your inner game (and I mentioned the other thread because you don't really mention inner game issues in this thread... but they are most DEFINITELY your issue...)

Secondly, why not try gaming girls in general instead of JUST THESE TWO TARGETS? Pickup is about abundance... and you're going to waste a lot of time on 2 girls who don't really seem to even want you if you just focus on these two.

The one has already dumped you... Don't go back after her. What's the point? She has a new boyfriend and her family didn't like you anyway.

The other one just simply sounds platonic.
Then go seduce STRANGERS... not these two.

I guess I know I need to move on and not get hung up on these 2.

Hopefully I'll think of them less when I up my game and can get new dates.

First things first..

Do you want to be great or mediocre?

Great? Fuck them. And never speak to them again. Start fresh and start new.

Whats keeping you out of their lives is your attitude. When you find yourself beckoning after people that have no intention to benefit you, your life, or your business you have become a nice guy. And you know where that means you'll finish.

When you were with that girl what did you have? And do you want to go back to that? You're basically saying that you're in a deeper hole now than you were in the past and so want to go back wards because then you felt better than you do now. And you want her to respect you? If you begin to do what you're supposed to she WILL come back. She'll feel the shift. So long as you keep posting on forums about some lost girls you're always be behind her driving on a one way street trying to get ahead.

Let your questions strictly be about how to get your mind off these old chicks, and onto some to a better life and a brighter future.

If you want to be mediocre; disregard everything I just said and listen to the next poster.

So what is it that you want? I'll tell you what I know.

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The concept of attracting many women, especially women I do not already know or are outside my social circle, or 'league', is totally alien to me until I discovered this community. I am happy to just have ONE girl show interest, and so when one DOES, I hold on for dear life.

After devouring information on this forum (almost non-stop) for the past 24 hours, I thought I could eventually use whatever I learn here to regain what I've lost, and still have fun with new women. Maybe this is frowned upon here, seen as 'weak', but why can't I have all that? Is it that bad to want something familiar while still trying new stuff?

Is no middle-ground allowed?

And when I do get a new girl, if I like her, can I not keep her around for a while? Or is it strictly fuck-and-release?

You can't steal second base and keep your foot on first bro. You have to let something go to get what you want. And the main thing thats keeping you from it is the mentality that you're displaying now. Let that go. The fact that you want them despite the things I said above is the reason you currently don't have them. Take it from someone who has more of what you want that you have now. Theres an article I wrote called " Attracting Women With An Abundance Mentality". I'd go check that out.

You have to give something up to get something new. Old habits, old ways, old people. Wanting whats lost will keep out the new. Now if you want what you said, then you can disregard my advice and continue as if i never posted.

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Tell me what I need to do.

Step one: Delete and Block both of those girls from your Facebook account if you have them.

Step Two: Delete their phone numbers from your phone and all the text threads.

Step Three: Delete all photos if they exist.

Step Four: Look yourself in the mirror and swear before God to never talk to them again unless they walk up to you in person.

Come back and tell me when thats done.

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I know as soon as I do that one will come ask me why I've blocked her because I see her a few times a week at the gym.

The other one will surely text/call me to ask what's wrong.

Do I ignore them if that happens?

I hope you're not screwing with me man, because these are the 2 most important women in my life now, and one is someone I have a deep connection with and talk to almost every day.

He isn't screwing with you, Hank.

Eddie knows his shit and he's 100% correct.

Do you want to make a change, or do you want to keep the status quo? Is the status quo getting you laid and making you successful with women? How's the status quo working out for you?

The last thing I expected to be told to do is to block people I feel a lot for when I asked for help here. I'm sure you guys can relate and understand my reluctance, and resistance.

I'm totally new at this game and I can't wrap my head around how this could benefit me, because even if I unblock them later, the damage is done. There is no going back once I do it.

Can I at least get a run-down of the events that will follow this drastic move on my part that will see positive outcome?

I don't care much about the ex, but the friend has done nothing to deserved being blocked out of the blue, especially when she doesn't even know I see her more than a friend.

You make it sort of difficult to help you, Hank.

Is your relationship with these 2 girls really that fruitful? Think hard about what will be missed by throwing them out of your life... Nothing is my guess, realistically.

You're not dating them and can't date them/won't date them... What are they adding, besides a mental hang up for you?

You don't just discard a friend like a rag cloth simply because you can't date her.

Maybe I value friendship more than most people, but that's how I feel.

If this is some sort of 'test' to see if I'm worthy to be helped, then I'm not sorry I failed.