Look up Patrice O Neal.. Obese, and not attractive. had chicks his whole life. His girlfriend of 8 years was at least a 9.. And they had threesomes consistently until he passed away from being over weight.

He wasn't rich, drove a chevy and lived in a 2 bedroom house. His girl has wanted to move in with him for the last 4 years but he told her no, his house isn't big enough for the both of them. And so he makes her keep her own apartment and job to pay for it. Youtube (Black Philip Episode 3 or 4 to hear her talk about her love for him) (youtube: patrice O neal on hot 97.. (some say she's a 9, but i give her an 8 ) charms the host with ease. Even tells her "shut up bitch" and she giggles at it. And this is a chick who's notorious for scaring men.

Cold approached his girl and many of other girls in the past.

A legend.

Look up Jeff Gurrian .. 5 for 2 and ugly, consistently pulls 9's 10's

Dante nero. huge beeer belly, consisntely pulls 9's 10's

I can go all day with this, and i have guys in my personal life with chicks as hot and some hotter than mine who are half as good looking as me.

Although, we tend to see ourselves in other people so I never see a guy and think he's ugly unless he's disfigured. I think all dudes are attractive because I'm attractive, and they're just mirrors.

No offense bro, but you sound well read but incredibly lacking in actual pick up experience. And i would strongly suggest the OP to disregard your advice.

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You listed nothing but celebrities.

I've been around - a lot. And I've never seen these non-famous, non-rich men. If your advice is "Get famous and even being ugly, some hot chick will bang you" I agree. Saying "Ugly guys get 9s" is ludicrous.

I asked about your friends. The guys you claim to hang out with, and see pulling "9s".

What you are saying right now, is pretty much what PUA KJs say(because of PU 'gurus' claiming this). Most guys with actual experience know how brutal cold approach is for ugly guys. I know you sell coaching, and maybe you're just looking to drum up sales. I don't know. Selling services is certainly the reason "Looks don't matter" was invented.
I see at least 20x as many ugly chicks leaving with better looking guys, than ugly dudes meeting and pulling attractive women. It's exceedingly uncommon. I've also never met the guy who can do this consistently.

I'm also talking about non-black guys, as I've noticed some black guys have bizarre taste in non-black women and think some absolute mingers are hot. These women closely resemble men to everyone else.
Case in point, I decided to google Patrice O'Neil girlfriend and this is what I get




None of these women are attractive. They're all over 30 and boderline fat. None of them are pretty.
Yes, they are better looking than O'neil, but that's not what we're talking about here.

You remind me of the RSD guys who talk about how as a "skinny, ugly guy" they can pull "turbo" girls. Upon seeing pics, I'm fairly certain some of these "women" are transvestites.
So yes, if OP finds homely, chunky women attractive, he can totally get them. You don't need to be good looking to get those "9s". Heck, if you're looking fairly good yourself, you probably couldn't even get them at all. They'd be paranoid. Not many men are like Hugh Jackman.

I tend to think of entry level attractive as having a pretty face, and weighing under 125(exception for hour glass figure). But yeah, if you think those chicks above are "easily 8s", sure. He can totally get "8s". Lord knows what Angie Varona is. A 17?

Yes, I am aware the last one is a joke picture and not a woman.

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Lol once again bro.. You sound like you're well read but incredibly lacking in actual pick up experience. You're smart, but experienced? Theres no need to sell cold approaching. When you can sell indirect approaching; colder approaching is scarier for some and harder to sell, so i find the hint at that humorous. It just is what it is. An of course its rare.. The majority of unattractive guys can't get over the fact that they aren't attractive by societal standards to CONFIDENTLY assume attraction and approach just as an attractive guy would. I've personally worked with guys who could be called 10's that were too afraid to approach, even with looks. So they got laid just as much as the OP. I'm simply saying its possible for any unattractive who develop the core self confidence of an attractive guy with high self esteem to pull and get laid with fairly decent level chicks.

You picked the worst pictures you could find, theres others lol. The white chick wasn't his girlfriend, the other one was. Look up more photos, and ask around.. You even put up the pic of the white guy which clearly shows your biased view point lol. But she got 8's across the board. I'd personally give her and 8 and him a 4 if i had to judge. And they met before his c list celebrity status..Opie & Anthony, both White guys, said she's at least a 9 on the radio show after meeting her in person. But perhaps we just have different taste? Pictures are funny though, I've saw some 6's in pics that turned out to be 8's in person, and some 8's in pics who turned out to be 6's in person. I'm sure you can relate.

And all the guys i named were pulling before their d list celebrity status. I know of many d list celebs who struggle getting laid. And Jeff, is in no way a celebrity.

Get some more experience and then we can have this conversation. For now I'm just debating whatever books you read. I'd be better to have that conversation with the actual authors.

Post a picture of yourself, provided with a link to your fb and I'll show pics of an actual friend with his girl. Other than that, its all google search. And I'll leave that to you.

You are funny though bro. I'll give you that. Lets go!

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And I agree that fat guys can do better or worse within their limitations. But cold approach is a bad idea for them. You can consistently get girls about 3 points hotter than yourself from actually knowing them(with a "lucky" ceiling of about 5 points). If you're strangers, you're about capped to one point hotter, and most of the interested girls are less attractive than you. The only way to replicate social circle success, is massive spam approach and huge time investment(which also tends to net you crazy chicks).
They're old and ugly. She probably is hotter than what they fuck.

Also, why do all of the guys you mention keep showing up with this weird little bald dude, lol?
Fair enough, let's try a video.
https://youtu.be/kSutjmECFb0?t=5m11s

She
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fat

This is not a matter of taste. And she's not pretty.
Yeah, I'd never heard of pickup until about 2008, and I'd been going out for about six years at that point. And after reading MM and discarding %90 of it, I didn't see another pick up thing for about 2-3 years.
Pretty much all of my opinions come from first hand experience and things I've heard from reliable people who have a good grasp of reality. While living in six major cities over the past thirteen years.


You've already pretty much proved my point. You think Patrice is a "4" and that chick is an "8". Ok. I agree, that "4" can get that "8". A chubby girl with a fat guy is not exactly unheard of. I would also point out that is sure sounds like they were friends before dating. Which kind of rules out random direct pickups.

If OP wants that chick, I agree. He can get her, while ugly and out of shape. Probably even though cold approach. It's just more work and less fun that way.

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V you are fucked up for that video lol.

Not getting into this debate but I hung out with dante Nero a few years ago in nyc...Cool guy...but back then he wasn't getting 9s and 10s. Chubby 5s at best but maybe that's changed. That was one night after his show but he wasn't approaching 9s and 10s. He'd compliment them but he didn't act like he seriously had a shot with them.

Fat in the video.. I agree. Thats in 2014, but 10 years ago when they met? We all know women do not age like wine like we do.

And you and these pictures lol.... Opie and Anthony are both multi- millionaires, they aren't exactly sleeping with dogs. They can afford not to.

An once again this all boils down to taste.. If I say 8 (10 years ago), opie and ant say 9 (10 years ago) and YOU make the call? Gimme a break.

Going out for 6 years? What the heck does that mean?.. If I got out to the basketball court in 50 countries and 100 cities for 20 years, but never actually take a shot do I have basketball experience? Plenty of world travelers who've been to night clubs their whole life have no pick up experience. Don't give me that lol.

Anyway..I never disagreed with your concepts; they're logical, my instruction was to sell the OP onto the idea that he can rise above the limitations. I've seen it happen, and even if I hadn't he could be the first. There was once a time when no one would dare attempting a back flip on a motor cycle, but one guy pushed beyond the set limitations and now guys are double back flipping. You're being the guy that says to the guy attempting " Don't try to flip the bike man.. I saw a guy try that and fail". The earth was thought to be FLAT by the founders of this nation at one time until someone sailed and discovered they were wrong. But would that discovery have never been made if everyone was too afraid to fall off the edge? Or listened to the rumors? Or the scientific truths at that time..

I don't believe in binding the entire world to limiting thinking. You're points are based in logical; their scientific, and hold some truth, but every now and then science has to grow beyond the limitations that it was once bound to.

Who's to say the OP can't be that guy?

This sounds like a science vs faith debate.. You're a science guy and I'm a faith guy. We'll never fully agree, but I can respect the view point.

And wheres your picture? You post pics of everything else..

I'll post a pic of a friend and his girl, but first after you.

Closing out.. Its funny that you mentioned me sounding like RSD guys when you have a RSD quote in your signature.. A quote that leans toward my side of the argument. A less attractive guy only needs game JUST 1% tighter to win over an attractive guy? Sounds like something I'd say to make a point in this very argument lol. Women can see BEYOND LOOKS for GOOD GAME. Even just 1% better game for better looks. I highly doubt a guy would take a 10 over a 7 that was just 1% more charming than the 10. Equally visual? Your own signature makes my point. So I think we agree after all. You just like to debate. And thats fine with me

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