Did the newbie mission, it went fine....also was listening to a podcast where they said instead of setting goals based off an outcome you want, set goals based on how you'll go about getting that outcome...EXAMPLE: MY GOAL IS TO BUILD UP MY CONTACTS for potential side chicks. Even more vague I want 10 girls numbers. THAT=BAD GOAL...My new goal in order to get those results was to ask 3 hot women a day for there phone numbers.....JUST ASK......(is this good idea or what?)

NOW I'm a GREAT WING MAN....I helped my friend (whose uglier then I am) get some numbers, but when it comes to myself, its like I'm attatched to my self image/pride. For example, I'm about to go to work....I want to ask 1 girl, just straight up for her number for my ask 3 girls a day for there number goal, but I'm afraid the rejection if that happens which is likely being as this is my first time, will change my image for work. So instead of going to work feeling hot, I'll go feeling ugly, unwanted, and rejected. DOES ANYONE HAVE ADVICE ON HOW TO PUT MY ASS ON THE LINE WITH OUT LETTING NEGATIVITY, OR REJECTION BRING ME DOWN OR CHANGE PERCEPTION OF MYSELF..

Also, any next steps, or advice is appreciated. THANKS ALL

You have to be a strong person, with a teflon-like demeanor. You going to let some girl affect your reality? Come on man you're stronger than that, you were built to withstand a LOT more than some girl saying 'no' to you.

Also what would compel a woman to hand over her phone number on the spot. Why not go talk to her, feel out the vibe the two of you have and then if she seems cool, go for the #. By just directly asking for the number you are implicitly telling the girl "the ONLY reason I am interested in you is because of your bangin body, I have no standards in terms of a woman's intelligence, how we vibe, how she treats me etc., I will put up with anything, I just like your body and want to get with you."

Its not just the NO, but since I am ugly, it makes me sad I look the way I do, depending on how I was rejected....So I'm wondering if theres a way to be happy with being uniquely ugly and truly not give a fuck.....

as far as asking for the girls number right off the bat being seen as me being a push over willing to put up with anything how about if I said " Whats your number? I ask because you look good and I want 2 see if theres more to you then your sexy looks."

Basically now you're in the process of breaking yourself apart and building a stronger you.

Approach, talk to girls. Realize that validation from girls doesn't matter, and it isn't that hard to get.

Work on your inner game/confidence/frame control. These are all largely interconnected.

Start to think about what you really want in life, what really motivates you. What are you building your frame on? What makes you you?

You should never sacrifice who you are for some random girl you want to fuck. By that I don't mean don't change yourself to improve - you should do that, and if you want to fuck girls, you should improve yourself in ways that girls care about, but never become some girl's entertainment, or emotional support monkey.

Be your own man.

You may see yourself in a certain way, but remember beauty is in the eye of the beholder; also women do not always judge primarily/solely on the physical as men are prone to do. If you have a compelling personality or other good traits they will gravitate to that too.

I see you getting blown out if you try the approach you are proposing.

Don't get me wrong it's better to do something than nothing but if you were to enter in to situational conversations with women, you would not be laying your heart out there. Engaging in a situational conversation with a woman is a very low investment way to get the ball rolling.

Consider yourself very, very fortunate that you are considering taking action: Better to be in the spot you presently see yourself in than to be what you consider to be the most handsome guy on the planet but never open your mouth or take any action.

Don't say that " I want to see if theres more to you than your sexy looks" you won't deliver right. Trust me. Not at this stage.

As far as you being ugly; so what man.. You gotta live with that shit, but I'd go so far as to say that your only ugly to women if YOU think you're ugly. I know some fat guys and some what you would call "ugly" guys that have little trouble getting laid.

I also know some super good lookers who can't get laid worth shit. What you see in the mirror is a reflection of what you seen in your own mind.

Ever have a girl tell you that her friend is very attractive and then when you see her you're like O_O.. She's attractive? Its because women perception of beauty is more internal. They're not visual like guys. And as the old saying goes " A pimple turns to a dimple when you're in love" . What they see of you is based off of their perception of you. Its a mild case of the shallow hal syndrome.

So you're only as ugly as the frame you project. I personally think I'm the most attractive guy on earth. I feel like feature for feature every guy would look like me if they could. I'm beautiful. And I would laugh in the face of anyone who didn't agree.

If you can project the same frame you're projecting on the internet I think you'll be just fine. Guys go wrong when the try and pose as something they're not. Be yourself, just be sure of it. If you're ugly, be ugly.. Just be that ugly guy that gets all the chicks.

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Cold approach is not for ugly guys. People telling you otherwise, are leading you down a painful path that you will almost certainly not emerge from.
You need to work on setting up situations where you can meet and interact with the same women on multiple occasions.

Phone numbers are garbage. They don't increase your sexual options at all. What increases your sexual options is girls who are interested in fucking you. That has nothing to do with phone numbers. Get 200 phone numbers from girls who do not want to have sex with you(like Vince Kelvin does every week), and you get literally nothing out of it. Get ONE number from a girl who is sexually interested in you, and you now have a very good chance of getting laid. Numbers are simply a way to get things set up with a girl who is interested in you.

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"Don't say that " I want to see if theres more to you than your sexy looks" you won't deliver right. Trust me. Not at this stage"

UPDATE: I did my first direct approach (if you wanna call it that), asking this girls number who was sitting down with headphones on right off the bat. She took them off and listened then kinda laughed off my can I get your number beautiful comment and put her head phones back on as soon as those words came out my mouth.....I was just relieved to have done something though. Today I plan on doing 2.....THE ONLY THING I liked about the number off the bat, is it broke the ice...& had she invested in a convo, I would be comfortable like I was as soon as I got the comment out the way and been my best self. TODAY MY GOAL IS 2 girls......I'M TERRIFIED.

"If you're ugly, be ugly.. Just be that ugly guy that gets all the chicks."

That's the plan.

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I agree on some parts.....but thats why I'm being direct in vocalizing the sexiness of the women whose phone number I'm asking FOR, and even telling her I'm interested in sexting in order 2 see if she can send me hot enough pics that'll motivate me to sleep at her house....(of course the girl has to give me at least 3 minutes to even get out all these words, and so far as soon as I asked for phone number, the ONE GIRL I did ask immediately put her head phones on....so in time we'll see...but thats why I don't want to use indirect cold approaching..I want to be blunt,so the numbers I DO get are likely D.T.F and not waste of time girls....and right now JUST OPENING MY MOUTH to a girl FIRST is a victory for me at this stage YESTERDAY IT FELT SO GOOD 2 get rejected.

SOLID ADVICE

Whats your number so we can have some sext messaging fun?

^ MY OPENER I want to try today.

That is not something that will likely work. Especially not as an opener.

Yeah, but see, that's not going to work. Because women are every bit as visual as men(only with higher standards) when you first meet her. Because you're ugly, none of them want to fuck you on sight. None.
There is nothing you are going to say or do in the course of ten minutes to make her want to fuck you. Nothing.
In all the time I've been here, not one new dude on the forum has succeeded with this strategy. I only know of one poster who knows a legit ugly guy(not just face, but pudgy too), who can actually do this. One. And I have never met such a man.
Develop a plan where you can meet many new women, but see the same ones on several occasions. Work on developing charisma.
Get in good shape. A man with an ugly face and a nice body is still attractive.
Take a look at this thread. Do you see how much better looking this man is than you? And yet, in 3 years, and over 4,000 approaches, he has failed to get laid even once.

Cold approach is a poor choice even for fairly nice looking guys, because it's socially bizarre and most women will just not fuck some dude she met in Krogers.

It's suicide for ugly men in bad shape. I can tell you're just going to try and bash your head against the wall, and feel free. It's not a big deal to try this out and see what I'm telling you first hand. But what I am asking, is that if you're three months into this with no lays from attractive women, please think about developing a network of social activities so you can do what will actually work for you.

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you are out of your mind dude.

I see it happen all the time. You must be from a small town.

I've never done anything but direct; so have plenty of my friends. Not all of them are lookers..

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SD, Indy, Nashville, KC, Atl. Yeah, not so much. Give me a picture example of one of your ugly friends and the type of girl he can get off of cold approach. Not asking for actual ones, just rough equivalents you can grab off of google in a minute.

Most men are terrible judges of other men's looks.

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