Hey All,

I'm a pretty good looking guy and I do get dates.

All the dates I go on - the girls all have a great time, we laugh occassionally kiss at the end.

I always get the same old message 'you're such a great guy...but it's just a bad time for me' or bla bla bla

I have a feeling...after nearly 9 years of this going on...that I am either too nice or I must come across as desperate... but no-one actually knows..

I even started seeing a psychologist who also can't determine what I am doing wrong...

I have read the game... I am now reading "The Manual"...but nothing is new to me...

Without being an AFC - any advice guys on books to read or something?

Are you serious? Never EVER a second date?

But are you a virgin?

The fact that you do get kiss close must mean that you are doing something right. I think the problem lies in that you let the girl set the frame and have the power over you. Bring down the nicessness a bit also perhaps. Create more mystery, sometimes, not smile at her joke etc. The things Im mentioning is the things I also need to work on. Important stuff, you need to create a roller coaster ride of emotions, maybe at one point she schould be thinking "I schouldnt have said that", etc etc.

You need to tell us more about what a date on you is like. Give some examples of activities, conversations, and how you present yourself. You are not going to find the answer in a book, because it's what you are putting out there that is making the girl see you not worthy of a second date. A book can't analyze your process.

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No - I am definitely not a virgin...I have done very well for myself in fact...I've scored about 92 girls.. but never had a girlfriend...Like I said.. I am good looking..girls think I'm hot... but somethign is just not working on these dates..

Put it like this... This weekend I had 3 dates with 3 different girls

2 of them I liked...1 of them I just didn't like.

The one i didn't like...OBVIOUSLY - she was the one that liked me..and messaged me asking me when the second date is etc... and I said 'sorry..I just don't feel anythin between us' - the same crap that girls say to me over and over again...

The other 2 - both aren't so interested in me...though I really like them..

You ask what I do on a date. The girl I liked - let's call her Sarah. I met her on Okcupid...she seemed so amazing..... I am from anotehr country (english speaking) and moved to the current country I am in now (english is not the mother tongue language here). Anyways, Sarah was really impressed with me moving here etc. and we spoke on the phone before the date. We were both really looking forward to it.

I picked her up... first time ever meeting her besides seeing her on fb pictures and stuff..super cute girl.

We went to a park and had coffee on the park. I was definitely nervous (but nothing that you could totally detect..) I was nervous becasue she was so cute...but I was still totally myself..still in control and everything. We had good laughs...she had fun.... we later drove somewhere else and got ice cream.

What did we talk about? How much I love this new foreign country I came too.... Dogs.. I dunno everything really... we both had fun... getting to know each other...

I go to a psychologist because of my never ending failures with girls..they also don't understand what I do wrong...cause to them it sounds right...

I think.. I must be coming across as too needy? I don't know how to change this...I am ALWAYS thinking about this in my head on a date...and too NICE?? Is tht possible??

I really need help...sometimes I feel like that there is no place for me on this earth anymore..I've never had a girlfriend...and things aren't changing

If what you say is an accurate description of a date with you, you are the boring guy. You don't describe any escalation. You don't describe getting her to open up about herself. You don't describe a kiss anywhere along the lines of a date with you.

There's a lot of things that don't add up on your descriptions, so I'm going to chalk it up that it may be too much to write. I'm assuming when you say you've scored 92 women, you mean sex. It's hard for me to imagine that after having sex with 92 women a cute girl would make you nervous.

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Yes - 92 women I have had sex with.. 100% true..but don't forget..I've never had a girlfriend (long term) so it makes sense..and again..I am good looking

I probably am the boring guy as you refer to..I'm really nice... and ask lots of questions about them...everything... What do you mean by escalation?? I do get her to open up about herself.....

There was no kiss along the line here.... I didn't feel like she wanted one (the one I liked)..the one I dind't like..she was totally all over me and I kissed her just for the hell of it but was not interested in her...


Again - I go to a psychologist becasue of this ongoing issue... of never succeeding with girls...

"About 92 girls" lol. That's a very specific approximate number.

Whether you are a pimp or a virgin is irrelevant here. You are just shit at physical escalation, which means touching and kissing. Stop talking and start doing. Eyes, touch, eyes, pull her towards you, eyes, kiss, eyes, pull her home, eyes, kiss, eyes, fuck.

Women are waiting for you to make the move. They lose interest because they get sick of waiting for you to pull the trigger.

You need to create rapport first..you can't just do that.. I didn't feel that she liked me...

How are you supposed to create that attraction... because it isn't working... apparently I am being the nice guy

Actually, no you don't need to create rapport to escalate. You need to create rapport for her to come home with you, yes, but not to escalate. Most of my k-closes happen without exchanging any words, on the dancefloor.

Motion creates emotion. This means the girl will be more attracted to you the more physical you are. The key here is eyes, touch, kiss.

Explain to me exactly how you hold eye contact with a woman. How do you look at her and when? Who looks away first? How close do you sit to her? How often do you touch her and where? How often do you try to kiss a woman and how do you set it up beforehand. Let's analyse your game to see where you're going wrong.

what does that mean hold eye contact with a woman? i try to hold eye contact 90/10..i.e. 90% of the time with her and 10% elsewhere to not show that im so interested in her all the time...at least thats what the books say and all the guide

how i sit with her? the girl that i went on the date with who i met online... i was nervous as i had nver met her.. but we sat oppossite each other on a table...

never really touched her... maybe a little bit... with some girls i do.. but then they claim i come on too strong...

how often do a kiss a girl? always at the end of the night if walking them back to their car or something...i just grab them and hold them by their hips...tell them that they're really cute and kiss them..


tell me what im doing wrong.. but really... i am good with girls just doesn't seem to get anything further...

It's not just about holding eye contact. You need to look into her eyes deeply and imagine fucking her with a slight smile on your face. It's hard to explain. You need to fuck her with your eyes basically. You're probably not horny enough.

Stop fapping all the time. Your testosterone is probably too low.

my testosterone is too low? u think that... i need to jerk off daily... i have never gone a day without it....

and waht's fapping?

That's what I'm saying. You're jerking off too much. It's killing your libido with women. You shouldn't be jerking off less than 2-3 days before a date or clubbing.

Thanks - but I don't think thats the sole problem I have....

Any other ideas?

You tend to like to describe yourself in nothing but a positive description: About 92 women..too nice..the girls have a great time with you..you're attractive..a psychologist can't even figure it out.

The criticisms you get, you spin into something else and then dismiss it as a problem or don't acknowledge it(maybe this has been a problem for the psychologist). You spun being called boring into being too nice. Nice guys can get second dates, boring guys can't.

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