So I replied to a post in the field reports section, but thought it could be use to many others as well. I'm by no means an expert but these are principles that actually WORK! Hope they help some of you to achieve greater success in the game.

The Real Principles of The Game:

1) Playful - You HAVE to be playful all the fucking time. All the time? YES. All the time. BE FUCKING PLAYFUL. This is a NON-SERIOUS game. This is leisure. This is party. This is all playtime. Everything you say and do should be for one thing and one thing only. To amuse yourself. To have fun. This is such a key concept you don't even know. This doesn't mean you have to go out and laugh your ass off all the time. No. You can have just as much fun being dead serious and messing with these chicks as you could playing a game of fifa or whatever. Enjoyment means that you find pleasure in what you do. So what should you find pleasure in then? What should you learn to love? What should you learn to use for your amusement?

2) The process of the pickup - find amusement in the OUTER PROCESS of the pickup. Not the lines, the OUTER PROCESS. This means Opening, Rambling, Sexually Hooking, Vibing and Closing. This is the OUTER process. There is no more to it. Open, ramble for 0-5 minutes, sexually hook the girl through rambling, vibe, and close the girl, either with a number, a kiss, or a fuck.

3) Repeat the process over and over again - Repeat the above outer process over and over again. This means repeat it for thousands of hours. You will find success along the way here and there. Just fucking repeat it. If you have a bad night where no one fucking likes you, go cry, write about it, and then REPEAT it. Wash rinse repeat. Through simple repetition of the outer process comes EXPERIENCE, through experience comes CONFIDENCE, through confidence comes SELF AMUSEMENT, through self amusement comes NOT GIVING A FUCK, through not giving a fuck comes getting laid. Boom simple. You just have to take action, write about your actions in DETAIL to learn from it subconsciously, and then take action again. Over and over. And over.

4) Educate yourself properly - Fuck The Game by Neil Strauss. Fuck comparing yourself to them. Educate yourself properly. Find articles on THIS SITE, on other sites, follow experienced puas, go on RSDNation if you want to (they know what they're talking about), and just fucking do it over and over and over.

5) Continue to give no matter what - There will be times when you will feel beaten down. No one likes you, no results, nothing. But don't stop continuing to GIVE VALUE. Giving value just means be proactive. Take all the first steps and sooner or later you WILL get laid. Think about it. At some point or another it WILL happen. No matter what dude. No matter what it will happen. You will put your dick in a vagina. It WILL happen. So stop stressing so much. Just learn the process and continue doing it and enjoy the benefits along the way. The benefits include pussy, real increased confidence that lasts, experience crazy stories, fun, friends, etc. Much more.

6) Endure - As above, just endure the process. It takes a painter 10,000 hours to become a master. Same with a martial artist. Why is this any different? It isn't. It's just another skill you learn. And you WILL learn it if you stick with it. So do. You want results? Follow my advice.

7) If you have realizations, write them down, either in a journal or privately. Whatever. Hang that shit up, do whatever you can to ingrain your newly learnt principles and put them to the test over and over and over. You will constantly find new ones. Just CONTINUE to do it.

Fuck man that's about all I can think of right now, but this should really put you on the right path. Learn the process, keep at it. Say whatever you want just make sure you are learning. Good eye contact, good body language and good vocal tonality is all that's needed to be attractive. Make sure you dress alright and don't smell like a complete hobo. Just take good care of yourself, go up to as many chicks as you can, use your momentum, defeat your approach anxiety day by day, approach by approach, close ALL the time no matter what, even if you don't think you will be able to close, just go for it. Who cares if you get the close. Just do it for the PROCESS. The PROCESS is what matters, not the girl. To become a player you have to love the process more than the girls. This will take time, bro. Know that. Some people get good in six months, some take a year, some take two, some take three. Who fucking cares? You've started. Don't stop. Yes it takes THAT LONG. Really. But do you want this or not? If not get the fuck out and go masturbate. If you do, if you want to become a real badass who owns shit (you will really become a badass, the game will make you harder, colder, cooler, funnier, fuck man so much) then stick at this. You will become congruent in talking to people, to girls, you will begin to know your shit and own your shit. Your sense of style will improve, your taste in music will be expanded merely from going out so much, you will become a social pro, you will be on par if not exceed the "naturals", in fact you will be on your way to become a natural yourself. Just do the fucking process for god's sake. It's all in the repetition of the process.

No you don't. Different social contexts, different girls, require different things.

Sounds like typical RSD advice.

I mean let's approach this from your methodology. 5,000 hours to get "good". Ok, now let's assume instead, you don't approach at all, get a job where you make just $10/hr. At 5,000 hours, you now have $50,000. For $50,000 at $200 a pop, you can fuck 250 prostitutes. And again, this is on a nearly minimum wage job.
I make about $30/hr, so in 5,000 hours, I would be making around $150,000, which will get me about 700 attractive prostitutes. And if we're dipping down to RSDTyler/Jeffy quality of girls, it would cover over 2,000 women.

What you're suggesting is very, very bad ROI.

It's one thing to learn "game" if you're looking to get better with women, with eventual girlfriends/wives in mind. But learning to "get laid" by spam approach over the course of thousands of hours, is something that lacks any rationale.
Yes, if your goal is to work really, really hard to get less than you could in a variety of other ways, listen to this.

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Hey buddy, how's it going? Let's address your first point:
Nice. Yes, very true. And with your example of getting prostitutes, you definitely don't have to be playful one bit. Just a guy who pays for sex.
Then define "game" please, if it isn't to meet, seduce and possibly keep women in your life? If someone has very little experience with women, there is only one way to get better. And that is to start talking to women. Most likely that person is going to be absolutely shit starting out, and will most likely stop trying to learn "game" and go home and wait for that lucky one or two nights a year where he does drunkenly get laid. Or he gets a prostitute.

If your plan is to get your highest ROI then yes, making money and buying prostitutes to get laid is going to be the best option If, however, you want to get good at meeting and seducing women without the use of money, then there's no other way around it than to put the work in. Just. Like. Most. Things. In. Life.

Think you should go home and reevaluate your pessimism.

I do not promote spam approach. It doesn't work well, and is highly inefficient.
It is extremely time consuming to get sex this way.
It is also highly inefficient if you're trying to get a girlfriend. Converting bar lays into girlfriends is difficult. And the quality of women at bars, is on average, much lower than at other locales.

You want lays? Go get prostitutes.
You want GFs/FWBs, etc? Expand your social circle. Put yourself in positions where you are often able to have repeated contact with the same women, but a lot of new ones cycling in.

To what extent one does "cold approach", it should be with women who give signs of interest, and you should then actually meet some of these girls, think she isn't a good fit, and move on to other girls. Trying to fuck every girl you meet, doesn't work out well on average.
Skills360 pretty much covers all of my points about how to actually handle this intelligently.

A big part of the problem with spam approach is the "every hole's a goal", perspective. Of course you rarely meet quality women with this sort of attitude. Something I constantly see from spam approach guys is a very bleak view of women. Women are whores, women don't matter, don't give a shit about anything any woman says or does, just self amuse.
The problem is, almost any decent woman does not respond well to this, and she blows you off. And then you're left with shitty, low quality women. Women that you mostly don't like and often don't even find physically attractive. I'm well versed in RSD's "bang fatties" philosophy.
If you're going to go out and try to fuck chicks you don't like and don't even find attractive(as most RSD adherents do), why not just invest much less time in prostitutes? It will be easier, they will be more physically attractive, and since "spam approach" has almost nothing to do with developing good relationships with women, it doesn't make a difference on LTRs.
I get tired of the immense harm the RSD philosophy of spam approach has perpetuated on so many men who have no understanding of how to actually get women.
Most guys who get into this, are not looking for high lay counts(even if they think they are), they're usually looking for freedom of choice with good, compatible women.
Spam approach doesn't help with this at all.
Spam approach is only somewhat useful to bang random drunk chicks that you will usually never see again. And the time investment makes it much less efficient than just hiring a pro.

RSD is literally the worst company you could look to, to make you better with connecting with women. Every one of their instructors are broken sociopaths(with the possible exception of Tim).

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I agree that expanding your social circle is a very good way to increase your options. But let us look at your very one sided view of pure social game. You say that spam approaching is a very inefficient way to get better with women. I disagree. And here's why.

I am assuming you are a natural as I have read some of your posts and in fact I agree with a lot of what you say. Fuck me I would've done anything to have grown up in an environment that would have nurtured my confidence regarding women. Really. But that wasn't the case. I am confident now, but back when I was a shy little kid. The mentality a natural has is what all the others are trying to get. The behaviors, the natural inner confidence, the belief that you are enough and that you really don't need to do anything i order to get girls, that you just ARE attractive, these are all traits that naturals, and possibly you may have.

Someone who isn't a natural does not have these to start with. Yes, this game is all about inner confidence, about being SOCIAL, and indeed about social comfort. But someone who has had very little social experience just does not have that. I'm sorry. Your world view is different to those who group up sheltered, it is different from the shy guys (who I am indeed trying to help), and therefore I can understand how you think all this is inefficient. But someone who does not possess the beliefs you do, how else is he supposed to get them but to jump into the deep end?

Let us say we have Joe, who got laid at the age of 15, and Ross, who is still a 19 year old virgin. Joe grew up with many friends, wasn't the most popular but definitely wasn't shy. He had his first gf at 15, had her for a couple of years, and then things went wrong and they went their separate paths. Joe by this point now has a belief that he can get a girl, and indeed other girls are showing interest in him, and he can recognize the interest.

Ross, on the other hand, had little friends, spent most of his time at home, and is only now beginning to "go out" and meet people. His belief of himself? He's an introverted nerd who has no social life. Why should he ever get a gf? Whilst Ross might be attractive and indeed girls may show interest in him, hie belief kills his success with girls, because he believes that the signs of interest are just friendliness and that these girls actually like other guys much more than him.

How to instill the same beliefs into Ross that Jeff has by the age of 17? One way would be to just hang out with friends, expand the social circle and eventually at one point or another get a gf. "At one point or another" though, isn't enough anymore. Ross wants it as soon as possible. He lacks social awareness. He lacks the attractive beliefs. He has extreme social anxiety. The only way Ross can lessen his anxiety is by doing exactly that which he is afraid of. Talk to these girls that make him nervous. And guess what? After the first few approaches, or even the first few social engagements with a girl through his social circle, he is still going to be quite shit, simply because he does not have the experience yet in order to know what every single cue means, and he doesn't have that much experience with girls liking him. He is even anxious of sex. No wonder! But what else can he do apart from leap in? And at this point, for Ross, the more the better. The more social experience in the shorter amount of time the better. Can he get this through social circle? He can get some. However he meets new people maybe once a week or every two weeks. If he wants to learn faster, he's going to have to do more. Therefore "spam approaching" will certainly help in that regard.

My 10,000 hour statement, bro. Come on, you really think everyone needs 10,000 hours? It's wording implying that if you're shit right now be prepared to take quite a lot of action in order to get better.

I get it, you don't need it. But not everyone is like you. A lot of people have far less experience than you. Some people are starting from 0 and shit scared. There is a whole other world that we are speaking to.

I'm probably what a lot of people here would call a "natural". Though I really wasn't, as none of this came intuitively to me. I just primarily had female friends when I was younger and I was very good at observation. Honestly, I sucked with girls until I was 13 or so and decided to really try and make a difference. I'm 29 and this was before the days of universal internet, so I just learned by observation. I'm naturally an introvert and not socially smooth at all. I was always athletic and gifted academically, so I did always have general confidence, but not with women. I would say I was plagued with self-doubt until my mid to late teens. No, I certainly didn't have that. I always thought I needed to do some things to get girls. Still do, actually. It's not a matter of winning her over, but if you don't do anything for her, she's unlikely to stick around(as I would be). I also play on tactics, but I think of this as advanced and not needed(especially for new people or for pure lays). I know you're trying to help. But I feel it's the wrong way. There are better ways, that cause the new guy a lot less suffering and leads to faster results. It's painful to get shot down 30 times in a night. I've never done it, but I've seen guys who have. It's not conducive to building "inner game". One reason I can have confidence is because I can talk to a few women and get good reactions from almost all of them. Even at this state in my life, I really don't think I have the spirit go hit on 50 women in one night and get shot down hard a dozen times or more. And that's knowing that I can get women another way. I can only imagine if I had no history. Most guys burn out like this. It's just too brutal. By doing it in easier environments. Picking up women in bars and clubs is MUCH harder than it is at small parties and social events. In these situations, I always have some women flirting with me and asking if I have a girlfriend, etc, almost without doing anything. In a bar? Good luck. I have to find a girl who seems interested, plant myself next to her, and screen for logistics(which usually rule her out) and then go amp up sexually. If I'm not experienced, and I mess up in escalation or basic chit-chat? Instant blow out. In little social functions/parties? I can do all sorts of stuff wrong and she'll still be texting me the next morning. ONS game is much harder. That's where I would suggest a man goes after having his social skills down. If you want to move on to ONS, fine. But *learning* on ONS? No. That's backwards and vastly more difficult. It's like learning to drive an 18 wheeler on a single lane mountain. Sure, you can do it, but it makes way more sense to learn on a Honda Civic on a regular highway, and then go learn the 18 wheeler. Well, I recall Papa saying on either Blueprint or Flawless Natural that it takes 2 years of going out every night for 5 hours to get any consistency in lays. That's about 3,500 hours by my rough math. And *you* were the one who said "thousands". I didn't even quote the painting example.
I've said before, a few hundred approaches is one thing. Yes, that can help. But in thousands of hours, you're looking at vastly more than that. There are a lot of things you can do on a social front, that will get you meeting far more girls than "a few a week". Churches, biking groups, book clubs, political activism, animal activism/charity, etc. There are tons of these things, and they're usually free to join and require no commitment. Show up, and you're in. He can go to them for exactly one time if he wants. Then go hit another one until he finds some good fits.

And the fact of the matter is, he needs basic social skills. If he can't attract women in a small social environment, he's almost doomed in a bar setting, which requires way more finesse. When he is seeing the same girls over and over again, he gets to know them and understand what makes them tick and how they respond to things. In a bar situation, he has no idea why the girl who was nice for two minutes, went cold. Was it something he said? Didn't say? Does he need "more value", better routines, better state. more confidence, etc, etc.
The very skills that are critical for success in ONS, are skills that are VERY difficult to learn in this situation. Another issue is his extreme sexual inexperience. I can tell you, I have heard many times form a female friend, that she met some guy, was going to hook up with him, but he didn't know what he was doing, so she bailed. These same girls walked their inexperienced boyfriends through everything. Women will give you a lot more leeway, both on social fronts and on sexual fronts, when you're seeing her again and again, over a bar hookup, where you need to be sexually sharp for things to go anywhere.

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I kinda agree and disagree with both of you. I think, if a guy is socially awkward he should approach, but also focus on making regular friends and basic social skills. He needs to go from a socially awkward/weird person, to an average guy level to then focus on game stuff. Approaching alot should be done, but that's not spam approaching. Spam approaching, which I see way too much of in my city and others, is rapid fire opening, rejection and opening again. Often with direct openers like "Who the fuck are you?!" I am always confused when the emphasis is on PULL PULL PULL, then when someone gets 100 rejections it's "I'm looking for someone I'm compatible with" or some bs.

Approaching alot, less forcibly and less rapid fire, is more conducive to helping someone gain those social skills if they lack them. Because they get into more REGULAR conversations. The grab every girl at the bar thing, doesn't make someone accustomed to being normal. Telling women they're hot doesn't help basic social skills. What V said is right, good reactions = confidence. From what I've seen, spam approaching with the high risk stuff, diminishes someones chance of getting a good reaction, because everyone sees you getting rejected (especially when you have the booming vocal tonality).

As to RSD, the biggest problem I see with them is that their "method" eliminates their students from receiving feedback. Pickup is simple, once you are assessing what is working and what's not. But RSD tends to teach guys that society is wrong, and keep doing whatever you're doing. Anyone telling you it's not working is a hater, and if it's not working, it's because your nimbus is off, or your state, or you didn't believe in it enough or X,y,z. You can basically give anyone a bs method on how to meet girls and they'll do well, once you tell them to adapt and change depending on the reactions they're receiving over time. But the whole "social conditioning" thing is terrible for guys who can't even read social cues in the first place. 100 rejections don't mean maybe tweak your style or opener, it just means every girl you met is boring. The guys who I've met who do RSD and are successful, use it very sparingly without the million reframes. I have no company or ebooks to sell, just my experiences meeting RSD alums and students. Most are very terrible even thousands of approaches in.

Bold has me really questioning what you think game is dude but, good luck with that. I agree with putting yourself in the right position and expanding your social circle.
Which would be valid assuming you went to a free or paid event. You do not. I would be shocked to hear you have attended any events. Tim is pretty awesome. Alex is too but, until I brought him up, you never heard of him before. Many also feel JB is a great instructor too even if his methods are unconventional and offensive.

Most real players are too busy getting laid to give a fuck what anybody thinks. Odd exceptions were Jmluv in PU, Zyzz and Yabodave who trolled forums but did not do PU. They all backed up their shit with vids or pics. Most forum guys masturbate mentally with theory. Many here despite having no rsd experience attack rather than say, the style is not for them. Then again, what could be expected from members when the majority are saying they do not leave their house or others who think flirting with a monogamous relationship gf improves game? This blatant trolling or stupidity. I swear, I think most people posting on PU forums are trying to bite their ear while hitting their chest.

Maybe one day a RSD fanboy can post some proof it helps them? No proof? Excuses for why you don't give proof? Reference to instructors as proof? Ok....Carry on with the theory. I swear, this is worse than a cult.

There are basically two things you're after. A, pure lays, B, women you see more than once. If it's A, nothing is more time efficient than prostitution. You show me the guy who does 5,000 hours worth of approaching and gets 700 lays.
Dude doesn't exist, and if all you're doing is ONS for years on end, there is no difference between a chick in the bar or a call girl. She means nothing to you, and is just a hole to fill.

If you're after B, spam approach is the least time efficient way to get it as well. You aren't developing any of the things that are useful for seeing the same women over a course of time.

There is a big gap between being a normal person, who may go out at times, primarily to get laid, and someone dedicating a major portion of their life and "working hard" on getting laid. It's crazy to treat ONSs like a second job. And that's what thousands of hours of spam approach requires.

Going out, getting laid - it should be fun. There should be very little work and crappy times involved. Nothing is fun and awesome %100 of the time, but I've seen so many guys fret and beat themselves up over not going out enough. Over not approaching enough. If you aren't doing it, it's because you're not enjoying yourself.

If you're not enjoying yourself, you don't need to "work harder" to get more ONSs. You need to set priorities that make sense for your life.

Sex and relationships with women should be enhancing your life. If it's hard work and you're demoralized (as OP's thread clearly keeping saying), the answer is not to go at it harder.

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My brother who has fucked hundreds of girls in his life does not like the approach anymore. I tried to get him to hit the streets with me a few times in the past and he just tells me. "I can just go to the hood and pay a chick 5-20 dollars and get my nut off right then and there."

These are words from a pure natural who does not know PU manuals exist. He fucked all of those girls in his younger days and now from the experience he has 10 kids with 10 different women, no respect for women, has been "burned" several times with nothing life threatening thankfully, and he just pays prostitutes to save time and energy. He also can't form a meaningful relationship and refers to women as bitches and hoes.

Veraslis' words are true. If you are just spam approaching to get a bunch of lays that's the potential future for you right there. I love to learn from other peoples mistakes.

Anyway, your framework will only work on a girl who: responds to players who have a bunch of other women in their lives, justifies sex and will sleep with a man quickly, fantasizes about being controlled by a man.

In Pandora's box this woman is a tester, justifier, idealist. Aka - The Social Butterfly.

There are 7 other types of women that this style will not work on in the least. Then you have to factor in that this style has a looks barrier since it's based off how physically appealing the woman finds you initially. It has no social proof to counter the looks barrier.

It's also a low value style because while in a room other girls can see you running up approaching women and being rejected. Will they be more willing to go for you and be the girl kissing the guy every other girl rejected, or more likely to reject you before you even begin to talk... This holds especially true for a new guy because he will certainly be rejected.

It reminds me a bit of this...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbUpGoOjFWw

I also don't like the outright cold approaching method because it increases the chances of getting rejected tremendously. I prefer to access her views on sex from preliminary analysis, force an IOI, read the IOI and calibrate the approach based off the IOI. This cuts rejections down tremendously, and I understand the level of sexual tension the woman will accept during the interaction. A friend told me I put too much emphasis on the girl...I mean: Who I am trying to get.. the girl.

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This is to Traveler...want to get your perspective on this as I've never understood it. If its lay lay lay, fucking/making out with drunk chicks is an accomplishment, whats the difference between that and prostitute? I mean whats the difference between pulling a hot stumbling chick home for a ONS, and paying for it? I can't see both cases as an accomplishment so I've never got why its celebrated. That's a genuine question as you seem to have a level of coherance and common sense so maybe you can share your perspective.

V's estimate, may be a bit low as well. What about paying for parking to do those approaches? Or drinks? Or dates? Or new clothes? Or bootcamps? Not only is are you dedicating time to spam approach, (oppurtunity cost) you're also in most cases spending money in some way. Which can add up. I'm in the middle between you guys; on one hand I think you gotta do some stuff you don't enjoy, on the other hand that may be more social groups as opposed to spamming.

Maybe this is a better video?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXcWQrhzlMU

The wolf gets her attention in a really ballsy manner, then playfully grabbers for a few minutes then tries to close. The ending shows him getting into a MGTOW/sexodus mindset.

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In terms of rsd proof, search JMLUV. He was Tyler's assistant for a short period of time before banging a couple hundred girls. Yes, he is the anomaly at rsd but guess what, who here was out doing him? There were other users like distantlight, Ambiguity, Chinaboy who was Alex's assistant too. Seems like the ones who rose to fame the fastest were all assistants.

Julien was Tyler's assistant. Perfect example of the student becoming the master.
JMLUV got tons of lays. Julien as Tyler's assistant has got tons of lays. Ambiguity is another. Distant light is another. There are tons of others.
700 kills and mentions of prostitution? I think you are losing it man. I am doing PU cause I do not want to pay for sex. I am in agreement with you on elitist behavior however, I am anti traditionalism, gynocentrism, courtship, paying for the company of women in any form. This includes the disgusting act of prostitution.
V, I do not think there is any room for us to discuss because we simply do not agree and rather then field testing your opinion, you are assumptive in your conclusions. Rather than see a rsd free tour which again is free, you rather listen to what you hear from other people instead of actually knowing. Difference between wisdom and knowledge is action. You do not have the action or the life experience to say rsd sucks or that spam approaching is not efficient because you do not do it.
Is this your opinion, assumption or through actual life experience because you already stated you have ZERO experience with rsd yet, you like others on the forum have an opinion. I am assuming you go out or we would not be having this conversation.

PU is the active dating role which is by the very nature better then the passive dating role however, it is very time consuming and not the most efficient system. Again, getting girls is better then not getting girls. Abundances is ideal. If you are single, you go out, you are working, you approach on break, you approach on the way in, you cultivate the behavior, and it becomes your way of life.
Well, you have not been to rsd, inner circle or any of these events. Maybe you are hanging around the wrong PU forum guys. Guys who think having a gf improves their game or guys despite not having gone out this year need to detour threads with ridiculous tangents and their theories they made from their mother's basement. No matter what, PU can be cult like, and you will find weird people everywhere. More guys spent time actually approaching, STFU on forums, and letting their actions speak for themselves, they would likely pull more often.
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