It's not like it's something you forget in six months. When one of my friends was deployed in Afghanistan for over a year and came back after NO female contact, guess what? He was still good with women. It's not like you just magically forget everything because you didn't hit on someone yesterday.

The forum is owned by Gambler. We basically don't even promote Gambler. I think Gambler's material is fairly good. I just find most of it is little micro tactics and aren't useful at all for someone new. And that's mostly who I try to help. Advanced guys mostly need to find their own way.

I do, but not the way Cupid does.
So you're saying that the free tours, are radically different than the youtube videos taken from the free tours, and the Blueprint? Because the Blueprint was about 30 hours of Tyler mentally jacking off about stuff that doesn't matter(I stopped after the first half). The only thing I liked about the Blueprint was Tyler's description of state control. That was the one thing I learned from watching it. He gave great examples and it clicked for me, in a way nothing else ever did. Because I can filter information well, it was actually worth watching for that. But I can't suggest it to most guys, because they'd listen to other stuff as well.
Sinn used to do free events pretty often. He kind of disappeared about three years ago, though.
Good Looking Loser doesn't even sell a product. He just has a blog and offers free videos. GLL is %100 free. You literally cannot give him money.
Right now, I'm basically in Tennessee. Though I travel a lot in the surrounding area because of my job. A full list of my past cities:
Scottsdale
Indianapolis
Kansas City
Athens(OH) [basically a college town]
San Diego/Los Angeles(technically Moreno Valley)


My current region:
Nashville
Chattanooga
Atlanta
Savannah
Birmingham

The only area where I wasn't fond of many of the women, was LA/SD. Even there I found some, but not nearly as many. Still no feminists breathing down my neck.
I lost my virginity at 14. By the time I was out of college, I was at roughly 30 girls. This was in 2007, before Mystery became famous, or before I had ever heard of pickup. I was what the "PU" community would call a "natural". Though I certainly was tactical and thought about the things I did, the closest thing I had read to a "pickup" book, was "Undercover Sex Signals" from Leil Lowndes.
By the time I found out about pickup, I already had a pretty good idea of what worked and what didn't. I could easily ID if something sounded like it could work, and what type of girl was likely to respond to it.

One of the main things I noticed, was how much they deemphasized looks, and how much they over emphasized what you say. I had had great conversations with girls I never got anywhere with sexually, and barely spoke to some girls before they were practically tearing my clothes off.
I always felt like PU got so much mixed up. They would teach you things like rapport building for SNLs, and I'm just lost. It's like, this is boyfriend stuff... The only kind of "comfort" you need for SNLs is "If I change my mind, he won't rape me, and after we're done, he won't tell everyone, and he won't stalk me if I don't want to see him again". You get her to think all of those things, and you've done everything you can in order to allow this girl to do what she wants to with you.
My problem with them, is that they think you can say and do things to MAKE a woman attracted to you. That just does not work. If she thinks you're cute, yes your behavior can make her more interested, though from what I've seen, your personality(even when it's good), seems to blow you out more often than it helps you.
And NO ONE talked about getting on her level. Matching your energy level to hers.
You need to match her level at first. If you can't do that, it's because you two are not compatible this night. Once you're on the same level, you lead her to new emotional states and experiences. One of the reasons I'm such a fan of Chase Amante, is because he's the ONLY guy in the community that I have ever seen describe this.

Then there's the focus on "being alpha". This was a ludicrous concept to me. I was an athlete my entire life. I was *also* a nerd. I had friends who were loud, outgoing and huge, and friends who were small, shy and timid. Now, did the "alpha" dudes who were loud and dominant do better than the weak, shy dudes? Yes, much better. But the *best* guys were actually not "alpha" at all. They were a lot of similarities. The best guys I've ever known, were only moderately masculine. They usually had a lot of female friends, and had a number of gender neutral interests(like running or nutrition) or even feminine interests(like fashion or gossip). These were very rarely the guys who would enter a party and be the center of attention. They would fit in well, stand out to *some* extent, find interested girls and hone in on them like a laser. To what extent they would "work the room" it was mostly until they had a girl clearly into them, and then they stayed right there and didn't do much else.

Because I had already lead a full, social life, I already knew what works and what doesn't. I can listen or read someone describing something, and immediately identify if this is normal and probably repeatable or something that was either a glitch or just made up. Listening to most coaches, I can tell, they do not understand women. If you don't understand women, it is very, very difficult to teach other men what to do with them. Small little tactics can be taught. "Tell her, 'You're such a dork!' and then hug her = push/pull!". But without actually grasping women, they usually offer some odd advice that really has nothing to do with anything.

Because of the reasons above, I follow no one. I have never taken a bootcamp. I don't need to. I'm better at what I do, than just about any instructor. There are people I think are good. People I've learned from. I agree with at least %90 of the stuff Chase Amante says. 60YOC is very stripped down. I don't think his work is a complete system. You need more than just it, but for simplicity, I've never seen anything better. It gets to the heart of what you need.
I personally like Sinn. I don't often recommend him, because his stuff is only good for certain people. We have a very similar style of flirting and sense of humor. Almost everything Sinn does, is at least fairly congruent with my personality. I lot of the things he suggests, won't work for most guys. We can get away with some fairly dickish things, because of the way we do them. It requires some finesse. You need to be able to read social queues very well, or you'll go too far and girls will just think you're a conceited asshole.

So though I follow no one, I respect Chase and 60 more than anyone else. We're basically on the same page on almost everything important.

Though if I were rec someone to *you* it would be Cory Skyy. He reminds me of RSD if you replace the mental masturbation with stuff that matters and will directly lead to increasing the quality of your life, and the women in it. I like Cory and agree with probably 3/4 of his stuff. He also has a lot of free youtube videos.

I was never an option for marriage, Joe. I was never even their boyfriend in most cases. I've had a grand total of TWO exclusive girlfriends since I was 20. Two. I mostly do FWBs. It's like girlfriend lite. We see each other 1-2x per week. It's not that I can't stand these women. It's just that I like seeing them less often. I've found that I get a little bored of most girls if I see them more than 2x a week. But I can see 2-3 girls 2 times per week and be looking forward to it, almost every day of the week.
I mostly date girls between 19-22. That hasn't really changed for the last 10 years. You are right, older women often do want to settle down. I know that my strategies are going to have to change eventually. At some point, I'll be too old to consistently date teenagers.
I will probably have to do exclusive girlfriends at some point. And that's fine. I'll still enjoy myself, just probably not quite as much
I have very intention of finding a high quality woman and marrying her and having a kid or two at some point(probably late 30s or early 40s). No later than mid 40s. You can look pretty young into your 40s if you take good care of yourself. But age starts catching up as you approach 50. If wait until then, you'll be at a serious disadvantage for finding a quality woman who's still single and interested in you.
I've seen the Blusprint. What Tyler describes as the equivalent of Moses coming down from the mountain with the Ten Commandments. I've seen plenty of videos from RSD. I doubt that the free tour is radically different than what they publicly put out.
No, Joe. They aren't Disney characters. They are real women. They have flaws. Regular human flaws. Understand, I'm an elitist. I honestly don't like about half of the population. Male and female. People of below average intelligence, I just don't respect. I think we should take care of them and help them, but I don't view them as equals. I almost think of them as eternal children.
I'm not perfect, so I wouldn't mesh a woman who was(not that she exists). But many people are nice. They like other people, and don't expect anything out of them. I never do. Neither do most of the women I meet. Do they have some form of female privilege? Yes. Most expect me to pay for food if we go out. I drive. We go back to my place, not hers. I'm the one who bought the liquor. She drinks free! I pay for the movie rental fee. I pick the music. I have to get her turned on first. She doesn't usually start with me.
But then on the flip side, she does things for me. And I expect this(male privilege?). She makes herself look as good as possible, specifically in ways I've indicated I like her to look. She's very affectionate. She goes out of her way to do cutsey little things that very feminine and attractive to me, but I know is not really natural to her. When we're having sex, she exaggerates everything and gets very, very vocal for me. Outside of sex, she often does little things for me. She'll cook for me. She'll send me sexy pictures at random times of the day.
Does that mean she never does anything I don't like? Of course not. She'll get poutey about something, or complain about something. I either address it, or ignore it. The bad stuff is a tiny portion of the experience. Well less than %5 of the time. Maybe less than %1(I honestly am not quite sure).


Up to you. I've never had any interest in ONS. If I'll fuck a girl once, I'll fuck her many times. In my opinion, sex keeps getting better for at least the first dozen times, because you get more and more in tune with how to turn each other on. I find that ONSs are a bad ROI. They take almost as much work as setting up FWBs or a FB. I'm not into notches. I'm still under 100, and may not even clear it. I'm ok with that. I'd rather bang five girls, ten times each, than bang fifty girls one time. It's a personal preference. But for any guy who's more interested in FBs, than ONSs, I don't think broken women are a great call.
I will freely admit, I am not that good at setting up SNLs. Best person on this forum for that, is probably either Skills360 or possibly Hunter. PEBBLE seems quite good as well. I like to be with girls who at least 2 points better looking than me. I have never met the man who can consistently do SNLs with girls 2+ points above him. Ever. And I'm skeptical he exists.
Partly because I don't feel a need to. I am competent with women, to the point where I have no desire to put much work in to improve. How many men do you meet that are totally satisfied with their sex life?

I'm here to help younger guys or new guys. PU is full of a whole lot of BS, and I want to help guide them from going in the wrong directions.

If we're going to do pure lay count, I'm sure there are plenty of guys here who kick my ass. That was never even what I was going for, though.
First of all, I said the girls I've been with. I'm good at screening. No, most women are not quality. But neither are most men. It's a minority of women who are really cool. I meet plenty of low quality women. When I do, I don't try to fuck them. I only spend time with women that I actually like. That's part of what I'm telling you. "Every hole is a goal" is a bad mindset. It's not a terrible mindset if you have lay count under 10. But long term? No.

And no, I don't go at it "hard", I go at it "smart". I've never approached high volumes. I am selective in who I even bother with. She not only needs to be pretty and interested, she needs to appear feminine and soft. I don't hit on women displaying powerful, male style body language. I don't approach girls wearing "fierce" makeup or "edgy" haircuts. When I do talk to her, I can establish her intelligence range within a minute. If she's average or below, I politely excuse myself. Stupid girls are a major source of drama.

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This seems like a cop out. I approach loads of girls. I see who likes me and who I like. Most times, I do not like her or she does not like me after we hung out, hooked up, had a fling. There is too much batting average obsession.

Taking other people's opinions and ideas into consideration, usually results in them liking you more. If I throw a literal party, I pick music with broad appeal. You're not going to hear a Powerman 5000 song, just because I like them.
Seen as in described. Chase is the only person that has even mentioned syncing up with her energy level, and then guiding her from there.
Are you asking what the point of me posting here, or meeting women is?
I don't post a lot about SNLs.
It may just be a difference in how we frame issues. I would agree that most women are not suitable wives for me.
For instance, any fat women is totally out for me, based on her weight. But what about for a fat guy? I don't think so.
Any stupid woman is out for me. But what about for a stupid guy?

I don't feel there was ever a time when most women were high quality. Aside from the obesity, I don't think things are much worse than in the past. I do think the lowest tier of people has gotten worse. But most people are about the same as always.

I don't think you could draw a name out of a hat, marry her, and be likely to have a good marriage. But I think was always the case.

I don't think most women are high quality, but I don't think that for men, either. There *are* plenty of women who are quality people, however. Sure, it's probably only %10 or less of women. But that's still more than enough representation to meet them regularly. And it's not like you're having to compete with slews of high quality men. There is relative parity.
I think so. But I define abundance as being happy with my options. If I were married and very happy with the marriage, and knew I had good options if she died, or we suddenly split up, I would still think so.
And if you're happy with the result of this, then I guess that's best for you.

I wouldn't be even remotely satisfied with hooking up with women I didn't like, or get along with.

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So, you are saying you are following the opinions of others? If i valued a person's opinion, I would take into consideration of what they thought. In this thread for instance, very few go out so, the opinion or two cents by those guys would be deemed irrelevant. I am pretty sure you called me a sociopath for not giving a fuck what people think.
Not familiar with his stuff but, I will check him out. Thanks.
I am not master PUA or champ of the universe when it comes to snl but, I would not dismiss it pending the right woman. I am not captain fitness but, I do workout so, a woman who was over weight is a deal breaker to me. Women who abuse their bodies with drugs, stimulants, cocaine, gang bangs are a turn off so, I could understand someone avoid these types. Then again, I have had snl with women who could be a gf or someone I dated. We just had chemistry and it felt right. While I do feel most women are whores as society and tv promotes it, not everyone is. A lot are though lol
Exactly but, I may come a bit too pessimistic or cynical at times. Something I have grown to notice, women like me, and they liked me before PU. I had a yogi tell me, "less is more." So, essentially, you can try and do more but, you are hindering yourself in the process. Something Warped referred to recently in a thread about, "the universe" bring us together or women buying into that. I feel like successful PU feels like that not just for her but, for you both and it is a great feeling. It may not last forever but, for what it is worth, I love it. I love that feeling because I find it so rare to truly connect with a woman on another level all together. I also think that, we because of society place too much pressures on love, forever, and a bunch of things that haven't got to be there. The neediness of attempting to use someone as a utility to fulfill them is a sickness that should be eradicated but, there is profit in "not having." Those who haven't got so, they fill their bucket of holes with more garbage, fast food, women or the pursuit of women, wealth, and possessions. Its all in substitute form. Its more ego and separateness.
Not sure what you mean about fat guy? Its simple. For a woman to just eat well and workout three times a week, she would increase her earning power of a male suitor. Most do not do this, rely too much on being skinny, wearing yoga pants instead of actually being fit, faking fitness, being entitled, sucking at life, and at offering value in the world. If a woman offers no value, I have no use for her.
Not following the reference to stupid guy unless you are bisexual or making a point I am not following? Its late and I am exhausted. Just got in after a long night of PU. The sun is coming up. Go big or go home!
No. Society is allowing the progression and abundance of female disasters by males procreating with what will be a nightmare situation. The court systems are a nightmare and women living in blissful ignorance until they are disillusioned by reality. Women can increase their drawing power by working out. They being skinny yields a higher value man by default. Males are procreating with women who offer not value and lack quality. The outcome is a shit storm.
If you are not improving in quality and your ability to add value, you are slipping meaning, getting worse in life. celebrity sex tapes teach women that, they can be a whore, they can have children out of wedlock or be blowing and swallowing bbc and rest assure, some dumb schmuck will be their to marry you as well as provide you with children. There still are good women out there but, again, it is a miniscule amount. They fail to have stresses outside bad hair days or getting a man of value to call them back after a bad decision.
Not following?
For the amount of time dedicated toward PU, I would say it is productive overall but not the most effective system nor time well spent based upon the pay out. Then again, I have been guilty of spamming PU just cause it is what I do when I feel like it.
I feel there is room for improvement.
I usually find Tyler's videos pretty helpful. This week, not so much.
Hooking up with women I do not like is okay. I deem that a fb or fwb. Its primal urges.

Will you do a bootcamp?

Part of being a good leader, is taking your followers into consideration. That means doing what you like to do, but that others will also want to join.
I can look at several options and say I want to do one these things:
1. Do a pre-party at my place
2. Go for a walk outside(it's 40F, but I don't get cold in this weather)

If I were alone, it would be #2. I don't like drinking alone. In a group of people living in the South, #2 is going to appeal to no one. They want to drink and get in a social mode. They can't stand the cold. So, I choose #1.
There is a difference between spending time fretting about what other people think/conforming to their wishes - and taking them into consideration.

One of my favorite colognes is Curve for men by Liz Claiborne. My friend Zach is allergic to it. It literally causes his nose to get stuffy and red if I stand near him. I make sure not to wear that, if we'll be going to the same place.

About my statement with the fat and stupid women being a poor fit for me. I was saying that just because these women are not suitable for me, doesn't mean they are unsuitable for ALL men. A fat guy should marry a fat chick. And I'm also saying that most men are not very high quality.
I think a lot of the reason we have such bad problems with marriage and relationships, is just because most people are bad at choosing partners. They don't pick people that compliment them and help them grow.
I think most marriages were always bad. I'm old enough to have met people who are now dead, but lived in the era where divorce almost never happened. Most of those people(who would be about 100 now), were miserable folks. They didn't have a good marriage, and they hated each other. But no one got divorced, and rarely spoke of direct marriage problems, even though it seethed out of everything.

I would say the bottom half of society is nearly fucked. They suck, and so naturally, their partners are going to suck. But for the rest of the population, they can find a partner who is an equal and would make a good match for them.

No, most guys can't marry the smart women, who is kind, professional and beautiful. That's because he isn't a smart leader, who is professional, fit and stylish.
The smart fat guy in a dead end job is going to have to marry the smart fat girl in a dead end job. Will their marriage be as good in the aggregate? No. Because fat people almost always have serious emotional issues(why they're fat). And being poor will put additional strains on them. But it could be more successful than being alone. Most people get lonely without someone. If they would do a better a job of selection, things would turn out a lot better.

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Brilliant. The world is pretty much in equilibrium in most cases. An ugly guy with poor social skills but who is rich, marries a dumb gorgeous chick with no money. A ugly guy with good social skills and money can marry a higher quality woman and can expect more. Point is, most dating and relationships are balanced. People accept the best that they can get and its a two way street. So if a fat girl wants to find a guy for a rs, she has to accept a fat guy or a guy who lacks in something you would accept her for being fat.

This is a AB conversation; if you do not go out, C your way on out. Moving on! Listening to opinions is great but, actually experiencing is for the best. The thing I notice is that, people listen to other people blindly rather than experiencing. While I do not know with full certainty, most of the rsd haterade here is coming from guys who 1) do not go out 2) have an opinion and 3) follow others opinions like a lamb to the slaughter.

The pre party or after party is a genius idea by JB. It is awesome.
I do not drink much when doing PU. I think it is a crutch. Not that i feel this because Tyler said it but, if anybody needs to throw off their brain chemistry in order to approach, it is in fact cowardly.
I can take things into consideration; for instance, the recent Tyler vid this week I listened to but, I feel it was useless for me going out on a Friday. I can chode around the bar or club and party myself without hearing it from a instructor. His six step video was better. His video about society staying orderly or what to do to lockdown are great. Listening is fine. Caring what people think and feel is overrated. I do not care what women think of me. She likes me or does not wont change my life. I still have things I want to do and accomplish with or without her. The life journey does not change although, women once long in the tooth and past their prime have a tendency to try and shape a man's path. This is where beta male manginas come from since they do not have a spine.
I like cool water by David Off
There could be definitely some merit and truth to poor choice in partners but, I feel it is more the system of patriarchy, traditionalism, and gynocentrism. If a woman is cute, skinny, not fit and lets say, this is a 6; she is entitled. While I do not advocate online dating also known as the passive dating role, with technological advances, dismissing it entirely is ridiculous. If you look at profiles by women, their skin is not that perfect, they are not as beautiful in real life but, they use photoshop, they filter the fuck out of their pics, and fake their way into looking a specific way. By default, just being skinny grants her access to male utility. Women above 6, have entitlement, are fucking with men way outside their level since most males 1) do not pull SNL 2) if pulling SNL; do so several deviations below their attractiveness 3) are the anomaly who pull hotter women then they should.

The biggest problem is that the current system pan handles to female privilege. Social assistance exists because of her having a vagina, being a woman, and therefore a victim. God forbid she take care of herself and handle her shit. Society does not promote that sort of woman since social assistance, child and spousal support exist, and god only knows, she will take full advantage of the system when scorned and bitter despite blood sucking a man dry financially. Women can be ruthless. The system does not promote independence or gender harmony. If you read Antifragile, you begin to realize that we as a society promote intervention, and in doing so, we create more disharmony and disaster than we fix.

Its been said before. Telling women no is a powerful thing. Most men do not want to make her pout so, they give in and they create a monster. Women can be going on middle age but, they may in fact have a teenage mentality due to a life time of failure to develop into a quality person. Instead of taking responsibility for their poor choices in life, they point the finger, and blame the man. "he does not give me enough child support" only to then contradict herself, "i am a independent woman." You what mate?
I am going to have to agree with you however, understand that women in their late twenties begin to seek longevity more times then not because their friends are married, engaged, having children, and their attention whoring days have come to an end. In the event of a marriage, a man can do everything right, and he can still be fucked financially. Women in marriages are antifragile; they have everything to gain and nothing to lose as the court systems will grant her child and spousal support even despite infidelity and raising another man's children. It is fucked up.
It is a faulty system. I do feel men tend to be short sighted. They see the beautiful girl but, if they looked at her pics from lets say a decade ago, they would know they are getting half the wealth. Many beautiful women are trading away sex with "the bad boys" and past their prime, cashing out with the beta males who provide a safe haven of financial resources in which she can raise Zyzz's children or Yaboydave's children. This seems to be a common trend in Western Society. I think more men are catching on but, are still fooled once feelings get involved.
I never found it easy. I approach quite a bit. hell, I even spam approach for the fun of it. In doing so, I probably meet more women then most guys in general. Most women suck. I have pulled girls who were space cadettes; offered no value. She would be trying to pull men via texts. You hookup. You bang for a bit but, you continue doing more PU because you know she is a tramp. Many of these girls end up fat, pregnant, single mothers, and they do not take responsibility for being a mess. I ran through a bunch during the holidays. None are going to bear my future son or daughter.
you are preaching to the choir. Most men cannot but there is far less women of this category you speak of. They exist because I have met it but, i usually met it afar not amongst Western Society. Women who had experienced stressors, tasted adversity, and despite it, they became quality people rather than victims.
If a woman is by PUA standards a 6; cute face, thin, skinny or lean, and interesting however, she is a 10/10 personality on the inside, she imo is not a 6. I always thought the number scale was foolish. I want to find the best mate but, looks are not necessarily the best indicator. I have met pretty and beautiful women who were life changing. I feel changed having met them. In their presence, they come about with this sort of feminine energy that feels so refreshing, and their insight echos in my mind. Its not sex or just some snl. We do that and we seek this in substitute form to make up for that missing link. I am in PU because I love that feeling of the universe bringing us together. Something not often discussed is that, the universe is much smarter than our little PU system. There are larger forces at work. PU to me only nudges it forward ever so slightly.

Lol. Why the fuck are you on this passive aggressive shit when I'm saying I like a dude's post? Ever thought the reason you can't get a girl is because you act like a female even on the internet? No, it can't be that...its feminism and Julien Blanc. Newsflash: you gotta keep hitting the bar because a girl won't choose you. You don't have a girl, you don't have a fwb...all this talk of pulls yet no proof...and you're the one requesting proof of people who talk lol. So just lay low dude. You have zero experience besides leaving your house and what RSD says. Teach guys how to walk to the bar, or how to link websites, or how women are evil. But can you tell someone how you got laid? No? What about getting a gf? No? What bout a f buddy? No? Damn... Then shut up with the sideways shit and talk about how YOU get success, not your fucked up Tolle mindset to hide the fact that you dont get laid now or ever. We get it...women dont choose you so youre mad. Now move on and speak to V. Dont keep diverting the guys advice to talk about the guy with what you have to go out every night to look for. I really don't enjoy calling your lacking pussy self out, but I had to because maybe if you listen to simple advice on how to be a man, heck an adult...you'd get some success with women.

I think this thread has about run its course. Me and Joe are mostly agreeing, and Neo and Joe still don't get along.

In closing, here is a picture of Hitler feeding a cute little fawn.

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I just do not value people and their opinions when they do not go out.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TqFTZib8w4U

Ouch

i think pu promotes resentment of women especially for those in any system that fail at it. What if we look at the track record of some of these men who are in horrible divorces like the guy from Quebec paying for three children by court order despite dna proving they are not his? Likely, he had nothing but terrible experiences throughout his life with women. Spam approaching is likely going to stack up rejections but not every woman deserves the time a day. Spam approach, pursue if she bites, and approach more regardless. 007 has more balls then most people in pu. For starters, he actually goes out.

Sit down, son. Cupid is GOING OUT which makes him 1,000x more successful than you with your girlfriend. Bleh!

He just managed a one minute conversation with a Mexithai. You've never had a conversation like this. Especially not in the last 6 months when you haven't been going out.

Yes, this is a parody post.

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He does not talk about prostitutes on a PU forum so, he is moving in the direction. *cough cough *

When were you moving to pros? Sounded like you were talking abt spam approach being inefficient. Did I miss something?