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Thanks for the advice... and about the money, yeah i need to learn what to do with it. Right now its just sitting in a cd account.
With that amount of money, I'd advise talking to some various sources about investment options. Head to your bank, a competing bank or two (mention that you are currently with their competition and they'll usually pull out some sweet deals), or even someone that does nothing but investments for other people for a living.

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What up Rye!

So I'm taking Style's advice from the Annihilation Method and I'm small chunking my knowledge (learning one piece of the game at a time). I'm very comfortable with openers at this point. What's the next thing I should be working on? I've looked around and I just haven't found a concise answer to that question.


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Hey Rye Lee. Thanks for doing this. I dunno if you have help for highschool game but I am looking for a pointer or two, if you can't help it's all good. :)

I was at a party last night. It was all seniors but me, a freshman. A bunch of seniors love me so it's it's not like I was killjoy at the party or anything.

Anyways, I was talking to these two guys and this girl walks up to me and starts talking. At first I thought she might just be trying to be nice, but looking back at the situation she might of been one of those girls that hits on younger guys in highschool.

Would I just game them as normal in future? Check for an IOI before gaming? Let it be? What? I'm still a recovering AFC so any help is nice. :)

EDIT: Also, if you need more info just shoot a message here.


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Hey Rye Lee. Thanks for doing this. I dunno if you have help for highschool game but I am looking for a pointer or two, if you can't help it's all good. :)

I was at a party last night. It was all seniors but me, a freshman. A bunch of seniors love me so it's it's not like I was killjoy at the party or anything.

Anyways, I was talking to these two guys and this girl walks up to me and starts talking. At first I thought she might just be trying to be nice, but looking back at the situation she might of been one of those girls that hits on younger guys in highschool.

Would I just game them as normal in future? Check for an IOI before gaming? Let it be? What? I'm still a recovering AFC so any help is nice. :)

EDIT: Also, if you need more info just shoot a message here.
If you treat her like she's different, then she's gonna lose interest, you just need to treat her like she's just another girl and run game on her like you would any other girl. Neg her in playful ways that demonstrate that you are confident enough that you can give her a hard time without worrying about what she's gonna think. Be cocky/funny, it shows confidence and women love it when you bust their balls, especially the ones that have higher status than you, because they want to be dominated, it's natural human female instinct. DHV to her, hell, you're already doing that and showing social proof by being the only freshman (that's grade 9 right? we don't go by that shit in Canada) at a seniors party (grade 12?).

She's already interested in you because you're the only freshman at a seniors party and you're not being shunned, you're not sitting in a corner, or being silent in conversations, you're being accepted and thus you must have something different than other guys, you must have value. She's shown that she thinks of you as just another guy, albeit a guy that she's interested in, so now just treat her like just another girl, but don't forget to show intent here and there, or she's gonna think you're not interested at all, use push/pull tactics.

Also, for god's sake, don't be afraid to kino just because she's older and is considered to have more status because she's in a higher grade. If you don't use kino, then you can't get her. I suggest high fives for when you do something cool together, thumb wars just for shits and giggles, hugs when saying goodbye and then after you've done that once, you can use them for hellos and playful punches and shoves. David D has a cool thing where when walking beside a girl, he gets right beside her and touches shoulders, then slowly pushes her towards a wall that juts out, or a bench, or a sign or whatever and then you start pushing your elbow out deliberately. She's gonna freak out and push you and get all pissed off in a playful way and give you shit for pushing her into something, then you can either go with it, or deny it and just be fun and push her and punch her back. You get that going and it's on, you're at the same level and she wants you.

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Thanks man. Yeah I wasn't even planning on gaming so it caught me off guard. By the time I realized she might be interested, it seemed too late.

I already know gaming a HB7 or HB10 is the same, depending on how they see themselves for negs and stuff.

Looking back see was probably intrigued by me because I was the center of attention (in a good way) of a group. Stuff is so much easier to see looking back on. :)

PS: Yeah, I am in 9th grade and everyone else was 12th.

EDIT: Thinking I should always be in the mood to game even if I don't?


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I went on a trip with student org, down to Valdosta GA, this weekend. For a while I sat next to this HB 6.5-7(one of those chicks who would be so much hotter if they dropped a few lbs.) as we were watching a movie. I made a few jokes a little bit of negging etc. Anyway, I was getting some IOIs but I was so scared to try and k-close. Seriously, that is a BIG step and I did not know what to do. She seemed into me, but I did not want to break all of our rapport w/ a rejected k-close. I no longer fear rejection in the approach but kissing is uncharted waters for me. I sure appreciate the help.

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What up Rye!

So I'm taking Style's advice from the Annihilation Method and I'm small chunking my knowledge (learning one piece of the game at a time). I'm very comfortable with openers at this point. What's the next thing I should be working on? I've looked around and I just haven't found a concise answer to that question.
I'd spend some time working on your inner game. Read some info on various topics that are related to PUA, such as NLP, how to be a better lover (I recommend David Shade for this), stuff on how women think (David Shade recommends a bunch of great books for this in his manual and in Secrets of Female Sexuality) and just get comfortable with the idea that women WANT you to approach them and WANT you to talk to them and WANT you to FUCK them. HARD. They want it, so give it to them.

Also, if you're in north america and are interested in a workshop, let me know where you are and I'll put you on "the big board" and then if anyone else in your area is interested in a workshop, then we can put one together for you guys! L.A. Tripp, Zip, The Doctor and myself are all gonna be doing workshops coming up soon and collaborations will occur, so you will get multiple instructors.

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Thanks man. Yeah I wasn't even planning on gaming so it caught me off guard. By the time I realized she might be interested, it seemed too late.

I already know gaming a HB7 or HB10 is the same, depending on how they see themselves for negs and stuff.

Looking back see was probably intrigued by me because I was the center of attention (in a good way) of a group. Stuff is so much easier to see looking back on. :)

PS: Yeah, I am in 9th grade and everyone else was 12th.

EDIT: Thinking I should always be in the mood to game even if I don't?
You should always be ready for whatever comes your way in life. Always be prepared and be ever vigilant, so that you don't miss opportunities. That being said, you don't need to be inthe mood all the time, because if you had a crappy day, you don't have to force yourself to try to be happy if it's not gonna happen, but maybe when you see that cute cashier at the grocery store, she makes you happy and now that you're in the mood, you can take advantage of being prepared for anything.

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I went on a trip with student org, down to Valdosta GA, this weekend. For a while I sat next to this HB 6.5-7(one of those chicks who would be so much hotter if they dropped a few lbs.) as we were watching a movie. I made a few jokes a little bit of negging etc. Anyway, I was getting some IOIs but I was so scared to try and k-close. Seriously, that is a BIG step and I did not know what to do. She seemed into me, but I did not want to break all of our rapport w/ a rejected k-close. I no longer fear rejection in the approach but kissing is uncharted waters for me. I sure appreciate the help.
KNOW that going for that kiss isn't as big as you think. A rejected kiss gets smoothed over very quickly and easily, trust me, I have had it happen many times and even multiple times from the same girl, once in the same night (I was still an AFC back then of course to keep trying).

I suggest if you are unsure and don't want to go in for a kiss and be rejected, try using Mystery's kiss close routine:

PUA: You wanna kiss me? (make sure it is asking she wants to kiss you, not if you can kiss her, or if she wants you to kiss her. This is about her, not you)

She will respond with 1 of 3 things according to Mystery:

1. HB: Yes (you pull her close and kiss her well and proper so that she enjoys it and wants more, never just a little peck)

2. HB: No
PUA: I didn't say you could

3. HB: Maybe
PUA: Lets find out (pull her close and make out as per above)


Now, that is how Mystery describes it, but the thing is, life doesn't always work as we plan and sometimes girls say things like, "I usually don't kiss guys until the 3rd date." I had a girl say that exact thing to me and I wasn't prepared, cause of what I had been led to believe and so I said, "Am I gonna see you that many times?" and she said she would be sad if she never saw me again and stuff, but never called me when I gave her my number.

Instead, those 3 responses above should be what you end up saying at the conclusion of the routine, but if she throws you a curveball, just be prepared and steer it back on track by saying something like, "That's not what I asked," with a big knowing grin on your face. If I had said that to the girl I talked about, then she would have said either "yeah" or "maybe", but either way I would have had her, cause she wouldn't have said "no".

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My game is finally starting to come around --i've gotten some day 2s. But now my problemo is how to close on the day 2.

Here is my last situation --I met this hb 8.5 and her group of friends last Thursday night. My game was better than ever --i ended up with her phone number and a lot of kino. But no outright display of sexual interest (kisses, SOI's, etc). We were talking and texting back and forth on the phone until Saturday night (day 2). We went out with a pretty huge group and I guess I didn't know how to act. The first night there was a lot of material and a lot of cocky funny. The day 2 was a lot more me showing her interest and a lot less CF. My question is how are you supposed to come off during the day 2? Do you still tease and CF etc, or do you move into more finding commonalities mode? I actually ended up in her bed in the morning but literally nothing happened but kissing. Also, while we were in her bed she said that she thought we were "just friends." I'm not sure what the heck to make of this. I think i showed WAY too much interest during the day 2 and it turned her off a bit. I should have stuck with my cocky funny and not attempted to build as much comformt.

Perhaps i tried way too hard on the day 2? Show less interest maybe? And what the heck does it mean when a chick INVITES you into her bed and then tells you that you two are just friends? I didn't push too hard but the furthest i got was just kissing.

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Well Plyka, that's some interesting stuff you're going through. I think you're on the right track with displaying less interest. There ARE ways to show tons of interest and use that to make her turned on and want to fuck you, but that's about all you're gonna get from that, probably not a lasting relationship from what the guy who posted it made it sound. Look for the Shock and Awe approach or method or something like that.

Definitely don't ditch the cocky funny on day 2. Hell, I'd say NEVER ditch it. The best relationship I have ever seen in my life was my aunt and uncle's and it was cause they were always busting each other's balls and saying shit like, "You better behave, or I'll punch you in the ovaries" and then she would say, "I'll throw you down the stairs and we just tiled them, so it's gonna hurt!"

You definitely want to focus on finding common interests, but continue to build attraction and comfort, draw her into your frame. Make sure to make it fun don't just hang out, make it exciting, so that she associates fun and excitement with you and being around you.

As for her saying that you're, "Just friends," that could be a couple things, cause women will say that for any number of reasons. She might be saying, "Change my mind quick, or we're just friends," or she might be saying that as LMR, but really does want you, or several other things. I'd say just forget about it, carry on with making a connection and teasing her and making her life fun and exciting whenever you're around, then when she's showing you IOIs, be bold and just kiss her, show her that you're The Man.

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Thanks for the knowledge. But now the question is: what should i do? Should I call her again or freeze her out for a few? And then when i speak to her should i suggest a night with just me and her? Wouldn't that show too much interest? What's the next move in your book?


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Thanks for the knowledge. But now the question is: what should i do? Should I call her again or freeze her out for a few? And then when i speak to her should i suggest a night with just me and her? Wouldn't that show too much interest? What's the next move in your book?
I'd say freeze her out for a week, unless she contacts you. Be busy though, don't just be ignoring her, so if she asks why you haven't talked let her know you've just been taking care of stuff in your life, chicks eat that line up (sounds evil, but seriously they love to hear about your life).

When you talk to her, make plans to hang out alone if possible, if not, then a small group. Don't take friends that are gonna care more about hanging out with you than with the girl's friends, cause they are gonna be entertaining them, while you are entertaining your target. Make sure to have active participation in making the plans, if she says that all her friends are going somewhere that you don't know and you're gonna be completely off balance, probably not a good choice, save that for when you aren't on such shakey ground.

Make sure to work on making her more attracted now, use sexual framing if you end up joining the PMZ and want some info on sexual framing, check out this thread sexual-framming-how-to-s-vt17308.html .

Remember to continue building comfort as well though, this isn't a 1 step, 2 step thing as far as I'm concerned, you need to have her wanting you, but you have to make her increasingly comfortable with you, so that she gets increasingly comfortable thinking about being with you and that makes her bolder, so you make her more comfortable, etc. It's like a "yes ladder", you use her own compliance and commitment to leverage her into going farther. Compliance is when you say something and they don't object and then the commitment, is when they say something that lets you know that what you said is ok.

So if you said, "I find it exciting to dance with a girl I'm really attracted to, because you get so into it and you can feel the way she moves and it's like art." It's not saying anything completely directed at her, it's just showing her something you're passionate about and makes you a little vulnerable, but not wide open. Now, if she isn't interested, she's gonna say something to dismiss the comment, or make you sound weird or something, but if she IS interested, she's gonna comply by not saying anything negative and then commit by saying something like, "I know, dancing with a good partner can be intense, it's almost like sex."

Now that she's said that, you can say something bolder still and she will comply and commit, or go the other way and you keep going until she doesn't comply. If she doesn't comply and commit, then you take a step back, sometimes even when she does commit, you still do, just so that she doesn't stop trying to please you. Take a step back, work on building attraction/seduction and comfort, then start back with a couple steps back. If she balked when you told her that you would find it incredibly exciting to share another girl with her, then you go back a few steps to when she was agreeing that casual sex is ok and then lead her through agreeing with how watching porn is good and the girls are hot and how she might enjoy being with another woman, then back into how sharing her would bring you close together.

Now that's some much more advanced stuff to be sure, but the principles can be applied to anything, it can start out with talking about music and sharing musical tastes, even opening her up to things she might not have considered before. You can do this on any topic and it builds deep rapport. Remember all you need is to find one common point and then from there you can build just about anything you want.

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I might see one of my exs (when I was in middle school) at the gym. We are both 19 now, and this will be the first time I see her since high school. How do I approach this? BTW I am really in shape and I go to the gym regularly, but I've never gamed an ex before! Well, I actually never gamed a TAKEN girl! BTW I will add that she has a boyfriend who is skinny as hell, and looks like my ass! I look handsome and always get looks from girls.

I already have an idea on how to approach this so critique me @ this. I see her immediately at the gym on a treadmill or workout machine or whatever! I don't go close to her but walk slowly towards her until I see that she sees me. At this point, she should be pretty far from me, but I beckon to her to stop the workout and proceed towards me. She will follow me because (seriously, I hate to sound conceited, but I want to paint it really accurately) I catch many hot girls staring at me when I look around the gym, quickly darting their eyes when I look into theirs.

As she approaches me I tell her I think you owe me something.

When she responds to or asks about that line, I will tell her about this following story. She was my second girlfriend, and this was in middle school. I was so shy and my first girlfriend had broken up with me after just 1 week of being together, which I don't think she knows and I won't tell/reminder her of that even! But just for the sake of filling in some exposition to my story, I will include that in this post. But anyway, I was so shy I never kissed her, even though she was attracted to me and wanted me to. I was just happy to have a girlfriend. But I remember during our 2 month relationship (I believe these were the last 2 months of middle school) she said that her neighbor had tried to kiss her, but he was just a friend, and she told me how it meant nothing. I won't tell her that I was pissed off about her neighbor getting more action at the time, but it made me want to break up with her, so I did. I was stupid at the time, so what can I say.

I didn't dump her after this had happened, but I just stopped calling her for a week, when I would normally chat with her for several hours a day. I told her I liked another girl, and we never really talked since. However, we are no longer kids, but we are adults. But this paragraph doesn't matter. Read my game plan in the next paragraph...

I will say, "You owe me a kiss. It can be anywhere you like, lips cheek, use your imagination." I'll only mention all the positives of that previous story and lead into something else. She can't resist right? Then I'll just C&F her out.

I'd also like to add that I'm smart too. I'm a premed major and currently have a 3.89 GPA at college, so I have plenty of good DHV stories, but I don't really plan on introducing to it unless she asks about my future. I'll then close the approach with, let's go out for some coffee and some stimulating conversation, that way if I don't like you, I can claim that I have to go floss my dog's teeth and leave! Of course all of this said with a cocky funny attitude. I'll ask her number, with this one: oh..what steps would we have to take in order to make sure we can talk again? I haven't talked to her on the phone in forever so this is a perfect closer, she gives me her number and BOOM, IT'S A DONE DEAL.

I know I'm using canned material, but it only serves as an outline to structure my game plan. It's sort of like an outline, and I fill it in with my own meaty goods (no pun intended).

May I have assistance with my problem? I guess more specifically, will this work or is this seriously flawed? Thanks in advanced.


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Rye,
What do you do if there's an asshole of an ex in the picture? And a kid? The ex puts her into drama mode and it sucks. He tries to control her. Do you think if I walked she would get some sense and tell him to back off? I feel like an AFC for putting up with this, and that my AFC-ness might drive her back to the ex. What would you do? Thanks, man, I respect your advice.


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