Hi guys, long time fan of Strauss's PUA books, videos, tactics, etc. Couldn't find the old forum or my old login so hello.

So this is new. I got LJBF'd after what I would consider phenomenal gamesmanship in the field. Met this girl I'd say HB7 at a bar I frequent, she was becoming a regular herself there. She's sitting with a friend, I'm sitting with a friend, we moved over at the earliest opportunity, opened successfully, made general small talk, jokes and DHV's about traveling, perspective, work ethic, etc. She's into it. Facebook close there night, 2 hours later get the digits, texting begins.

3 days later we agree to meet up again, same place, just the two of us this time. 2 beers later, convo is flowing, kino is active, she's leaning in, I know where this goes. We leave, the bartenders (friends, girls) are helping with "you guys would be good together, etc etc" social proofing it for me.

In the parking lot I offer my least tactful home invite ever, "so hey, it's supposed to snow tonight do you want to just come to my house?" despite the fact that this made next to zero sense she agrees. We get to my place (cleaned the shit out of it prior in anticipation), she meets my dog (beautiful 45 lb German Shepard), loves her, plays with her, we end up watching Band of Brothers on the couch, make out session begins, cuddling, full on 17 yr old high school dry humping commences.

So far so good. This goes on for 45min to an hour and I go "alright hey do you wanna get more comfortable?" she agrees. Off to bed we go, she changes into my shorts, I drop to boxers and T. We climb in, foreplay begins, it's getting pretty hot and heavy, I'm on the neck, Im on the lips, the butt, the breasts, and she gives me the "no no not tonight, I don't want to rush this". *screeching halt sound*

OK. I back off, say that's fine I'm not "that kind of guy anyway" let it die down, 10 mins later I pick it back up, continues forward, she's having fun I can tell. Then stopped again. Eventually we settle down to just cuddling, spooning, kissing, touching, etc. (NO SEX FOR HOUNDISH THIS NIGHT)

6:30am comes around, she's gotta go home to change for work, fine, kiss good bye "i'll see you Friday?" "yes" ok bye.

10am I text "how are you feeling bright eyed and bushy tailed?" some light friendly banter, 2 messages later.

"Well I'm glad you are happy. I'm scared lol to be quite honest. I don't think I'm ready for this."

Typical descalation response, there's nothing to be ready for, we're just hanging out, as much or as little as you want, bla bla bla.... then boom.

"lol Let's just start as friends."
"Not kissing friends! lol"

Alright players, where'd I got wrong.

If I can spot anything wrong, it's that 10 minute window that you allowed after she said not tonight. That's thinking time for her to ensure that nothing happens if you start up again. If you stop, you don't restart. If you say you're not that type of guy, you keep going and get her even hotter.

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It's just a little ASD, and LMR. Get together and continue as you were. Sexually escalate once again.

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Well shit...

It really doesn't sound --- from what you've written here at least --- like you did much wrong, beyond not breaking through the LMR (and it really didn't sound like that was happening).

Unless you've left something out, that one sounds like all her, and like she's sort of slut shaming herself...

Maybe she doesn't do that kind of thing often... maybe she's seeing someone... Who knows!

I bet you can get her out again, if you wanted. I mean the interest was there, at least initially - and again, unless you've left something out it really doesn't sound like you offended her.

I tried to include all pertinent details. The one thing I didn't mention was that earlier in the evening she mentioned she just got out of a very serious 5 year relationship 3 months ago when the ex moved cross country. This was brought up initially as a "I need to take it slow" resistance that I plowed through.

I think you guys are right on the ASD/LMR side and that it may be temporary, but to follow up the next day with LBJF sounds like something else happened.

I spoke to one female friend who told me to take the "it's ok I'm here if you need me" nice guy approach (which I'm 100% opposed to) she's a married Brazilian with an insatiable libido (for w/e that's worth).

Then I asked my assistant who's a dude in a girl's body and she said tell her "BYeeeee, I've got enough friends."

I'm leaning towards the latter to see if there's any comeback but know that's a one way street and I did like this one...

My other option is to say nothing, I got a birthday party on Saturday with another HB8 I started talking to and might strategically get some shared photos up on FB. See if there's any interest through jealousy.

Hmm... decisions.

Sounds like a complete BS LJBF to me. I'd be surprised if she really wants a platonic thing. Keep gaming, without over investing imo. Still invite her back to your place for a movie thing, even agree that it's platonic. She knows that she is coming back for sex.

Just an update, 5 days into the Freeze Out and she's increased her social media activity by like 100%, liking ancient posts, photos and every new post I've made (while I continue to ignore).

Then she sends me a text "I feel bad that I took your survival bracelet! I'll have to give it back to you next time I see you" then idle banter about the snow, to which I've responded with 1 word responses.

When do you guys typically like to pull out of the Freeze Out and get back into sarging on a BS LJBF? And do you reframe the bounce back? "Look if we're going to try this again..." sort of thing?

Just invite her for drinks and a movie. Then make your Ricky Suave moves on her!
Quit trying to make this a battle of wits. Your way over thinking.

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