This is an inner game sticking point. Be warned! It's heavy. This sticking point is not just sticking my pickup, but my life. It is the biggest impediment possible to my social skills. At one point it had me afraid to leave the house, and not dealing with it brought upon every single bad thing that has happened to me since that fateful day I realized I was stalking someone.

It was not intentional, I was just a college kid who hadn't discovered PUA , so I didn't know any better. In fact, had always thought of myself as one of the good guys. When I read on her twitter page that my crush girl felt stalked, I did what I thought was the right thing to do. I tried to kill myself.

That didn't go as planned, and since I didn't have the courage to say admit to what I'm saying now, the repercussions got me institutionalized. I also started a drug habit, alienated my friends and family, destroyed my flawless academic record and the foundations of my career. I ended up moving to the other side of the world to start anew.

Why is this dramatic arc ruining my pickup? For one thing, it keeps me outcome-dependent. If for whatever reason the target doesn't want to talk, I tend to interpret the reason for their mood as being "creeped out." Coming off as a creeper is my biggest fear, because I associate it with my suicide attempt, which I did in response to the harsh realization that I was stalking someone, a pickup method less reliable than even Ross Jeffries.

Needless to say that, though I've come to terms with it, it's still messing up my inner game, and truly I'm sick of dwelling on this. This limiting belief that I'm a creep has got to go, it's holding me back from the positive mental attitude and outcome independence integral to successful pickup and a successful life, which I most definitely have earned.

Has anybody had similar trouble overcoming a hangup like this? What did you do to finally get over it?

Wow this is deep and I really wish you the best on your journey.

I have worried about the risk of being a "creep" before and the only difference between a creepy guy and a sexually forward/confident guy is whether the attraction is mutual. Read the 60YOC stuff he talks about risking creepy and I believe it is better to risk being that guy rather than the keeping to yourself / not imposing on anyones space kinda guy.

Just make sure you're doing it for the right reasons, you're talking to girls and flirting because you feel you can enrich their life in some way (even if it's just for a night) you aren't trying to 'get' anything from them. That mindset should set you off in the right way

Thanks for your kind and well thought out response, Sonic. The literature on risking creepy (at least what I've found through google search) makes sense to me.

My reasons for getting into pickup, I've never given serious thought. Of course when I read The Game, I was seduced by the prospect of attracting any woman I wanted, but even before that it was my thinking that I could improve my artistic output if I had a partner who was also building a creative career.

Though I'd relish a one night stand, an invigorating relationship where she and I encourage each other to perform our very best sounds gratifying and worthwhile to me. A friendship or family relationship, lacking the intimacy of romance, could not fill this purpose, and a mentorship wouldn't work, as mentors typically require supplication to their ego in exchange for advice (a bum deal if you ask me.) I seek an intimate opposite equal.

I'd also like move forward with a new romantic experience so I can put my last one in the rear-view mirror. I'd like to lose my virginity so I can finally tell myself that sex isn't that big of a deal, and have experiential proof so I can believe it. Finally, I'd like to see what it feels like to actually love someone.

But if I had to give a simpler answer, I'd say that I want to learn courtship because it's universal, and as a healthy human I have every right to participate and succeed.

This is who I am "deep down" inside. I also have wit, generosity, a sweet side, I'm passionate and adventurous, I'm intellectual, dorky, blunt, I have a temper, a mystic side, a tendency to overthink... I have many facets that make up an interesting personality, and what's obstructing me from expressing these facets in every social interaction I have, especially where the opposite sex is concerned, is the baggage, fear, and limiting beliefs I mentioned in my first post. How do I put it all behind me so I can show off who I really am?

I've got it. Reframing. That massive story I told? Wrong way to see things. I should tell myself, "I once overreacted when a oneitis rejected me, but that doesn't faze me. fundamentally, I'm a cool guy. The takeaway from the experience is to take rejection in stride."

Moon man, keep positive and do not forget that you can choose the track of happiness. Cheers boy!

You shouldn't fear being a creep. If you come off as a creep, it'll provide a good reference experience that you can learn from. It's all about the frame, as somebody else said it's frame control. Also, the success of the approach isn't how the girl reacts it's how well you execute your approach. You don't have to worry about rejections because you know that if you execute properly, girls will definitely give you attention, even if some reject you.

The real answer is:

So many approaches that you no longer have time to think of yourself as a creep because you do not care.

Everything else may make you feel better in the moment but will not have a lasting change.

I am not saying this to be cold-hearted, just to give real help.

I've definitely been in some dark places where I questioned my worthiness of just about everything you mentioned. And I tried soul searching and running and new techniques and gurus. Nothing changed until I took massive action.

Decide how much you like this pain. I tend to magnify the pain until it is so unbearable that even my biggest fears are easier to take on than the pain.

Hope that helps.

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