For starters, I do owe a lot to pickup. It's the dawn of my 25th birthday and I've been reading this material for about 5 years now. I went from a hopeless virgin who just wanted a girlfriend to someone who has banged over 150 women including an impressive run of 5 new lays in a single week. The biggest problem is I just can't seem to hook on with women I consider to be the 8s, 9s, and 10s. I have no problem getting with girls in that 5-7 range. You know, the ones good enough for an occasional lay and to go out with but not someone you would show off to friends and family as a girlfriend.

I know that physical features play a huge role in this. It seems that PUAs diminish the importance of looks but the overwhelming evidence in my endeavors shows that 8-10s tend to just be disinterested from the start, more likely to flake, and the hardest to sleep with. There was a hot girl in my study group at school I was determined to try and hook up with. After a few failed attempts at asking her out I gave up on her, and I've recently confirmed that she is a total whore and sleeps around all the time. This makes me so angry at myself for not having what it takes in her eyes. And obviously, it's not just her. I have enough of a sample size to know. It's almost at the point where when a girl easily agrees to go out with me, I second guess if she's as good looking as I thought initially.

I'm 5' 9, 140 lbs so I'm obviously not the typical tall, buff hot guy. I worked my ass off to try to put on weight and lift last year and after a few grueling months of taking in way more food than I enjoyed eating each day and gym time, I gained a considerable amount of weight and noticeably to myself and friends got bigger, but was still a skinny guy to the eyes of hot women. So I think I need to focus on another avenue.

Has anyone been in my shoes? What can I do to bump up a tier? It would be a nightmareish fate for me to end up with a girl I'm not attracted to just because that's my level. I'm not devoted to getting a supermodel, but I suppose I just want someone that will provoke my friends and family to think, "wow, he did well for himself with that one" (in b4 you'll never be happy with that mindset)

Have you ever driven a nice car? Or maybe got a really cool shirt?

I had a BMW for a few years. It was a really nice car. And for the first few months... people would tell me how much they liked my car. But then, people stopped saying that. I still liked the car but I liked it cause I liked it for myself. But man... if I was looking for other people to say they liked my car, it would have been quite the waste to keep paying for it after those few months.

My point is... you're looking for a girlfriend who will validate your high level of "pick up skill" to your friends. Yeah, that might make you happy for a few months. But what are you going to do after your friends get over how hot she is? The novelty will wear off and you'll be unhappy with yourself.

You're looking for a girlfriend for all the wrong reasons.

From what you say, it sounds like you've got a nice harem built up for yourself. I was in your situation like 3 years ago before I quit my job and started my business. I had a nice rotation built up for myself and I said fuck it... I'm better than working for someone else. It's time to do this. So I actually sold my BMW to fund myself and went for it.

Part of what made me have this epiphany was this girl I was fooling around with who was actually a huge strip club in Chicago's star dancer. She was really sexy and we had great chemistry but part of the thrill was that EVERY other guy was fantasizing about sliding their cock inside of her and she was coming home to me at the end of the night. She dated a professional basketball player before we started having sex. She wanted a baller. When she stopped answering my phone calls, I learned that if I want that girl as my girlfriend, I had to work on being that guy who's on the same level as that pro basketball player. So I started my own business. Decided I was going to be a boss.

Girls have options dude. Really hot girls have alot of options.

Now, lucky for you, me and every other guy reading this, most guys SUCK and the guys that don't suck tend to eventually fall off without even realizing it. So if you can just work a little bit harder and be a little bit smarter than most guys, you'll put yourself in that top 10% of guys that the really desirable girls want and chase after. The girls who are actually girlfriend material.

You'll get your 10 when you become a 10 yourself.

Great post!

Off topic, you're probably a nice chap. it's this type of contradiction shit is the main reason why so many girls play hard to get and make it so damn hard for guys to meet women. Double standards. No wonder feminists exist. It could also be the reason why you can't get 8's and above. You're looking for Hb10 Virgin unicorns.

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My apologies, but there's no double standard being applied here. I can see why you think so since I described the girl as a "total whore" but I didn't really mean it in a demeaning way. Incidentally, you could certainly call me a "total whore" as well because of my sexual habits.

The reason I bring that up is because it just fuels the anger I have towards myself. I don't get mad at her for not sleeping with me, I get mad at myself for not being able to seduce her. The fact that she sleeps around commonly makes me feel more ashamed of myself because so many other guys have clearly succeeded where I have failed.

Does that clear up my stance?

This goes back to what I was saying about how "you need to be a 10."

Dude... people like people who are like them. If the girls who are your 10 aren't into... you need to do something to change yourself to be that guy. You need to be a 10 in that girls eyes too. You've got to be her BEST option.

I love this topic, is my favorite

First off, looks have absolutely nothing to do with getting a ten.
Just the typical 5% of importance.

To get 10s you basically need to be around them.
Where do you typically see tens?
They are rare IMO
but you'll see em every once in a while.

10s are not hard to get.
Just got to have the right mindset when you meet her.
Have your life together, have your shit together, have your confidence together.

You say 10s reject you, but how many 10s have you really approached?
i bet not that many.

And if you approach them thinking they're going to reject you, well, self fulfilling prophecy my friend, they will reject your ass.

I can go into a deep explanation on how to get 10s.

But i wont do it now, because i already see what you're problem is.
You're lack of entitlement.
Cut out all the bullshit in your mind, get your life and shit together.
And start approaching 10s today everywere you see them.
But approach like a lion. Want it. Get it. Correct your mistakes.

If you approach a 10 half assed, she'll smell your vagina and reject you.

The more you approach them, the better you will get.

A 10 is just another fucking girl, and i tell that to every guy, they arent what you think.

Dont make it a big deal.

And if you want a magic pill to get every 10 you see, you're fucked.

The best you can do is approach alot of 10s, and garanteed one will fuck you, if you dont shoot yourself in the foot.

Come back and share you're success story when it happens.

Good luck

On the meantime, lets get back out there and approach some 10s !

I'm on the hunt myself , lol.

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This is a bunch of mental masturbation.

I wasn't referring to your looks either. I meant yourself as a man... be a 10. Be the man that women want. Whatever that means to you... just roll with it. Work on what you need to work on and improve those areas.

Maybe you lack swagger? Ambition? Dominance and leadership? Assertiveness? Passion? Positivity? I don't know you so I don't know what your problem is... But figure it out. Fix that shit. Then you will actually "feel entitled" cause you actually deserve it.

The base problem is that you probably have very good game which will get you a shit ton of 1-8's However 9-10's actually require verified social value to go along with the game. They can afford to be picky which is why they are generally a lot less slutty than girls of lesser caliber.

LMAO! I think you may be looking for the RSD forum...

OP, if you fucked over 150 women then you clearly have game. If you cant get girls that are 8 an above its probably your looks holding you back.

Keep lifting wights, get down to 10% body fat, dress very stylish, make sure your haircut is stylish and is appropriate for your face shape, same with your facial hair, and fix any flaws you have such as yellow teeth or acne.

If you like you can PM me a picture and I can give you way more specific advice. Be sure to include how tall you are.

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OP, one tip I can give you is... Stop wanting to prove yourself. At this point you are not proving anything to anyone (not even yourself), but selling yourself under your own value. You've got enough lays under your belt to earn your own and other peoples respect.

You need to focus a bit. These lay numbers take up time and energy, probably too much. Make 9s and 10s your goal market, and stop wasting your time with any girl that falls below that range (unless you really need to get laid). Specialize yourself.

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First off, you need to understand that just because a girl sleeps with a lot of guys, does not mean she will sleep with just any guy. Even just any, very good looking, smooth, guy. The biggest slut who has ever lived has not slept with the vast majority of men she's met. Even literal prostitutes have been known to turn down some potential clients.

You're right, you're too skinny. Your "bulk" sounds to me like you just packed on a bunch of fat. Sometimes, a little size is better than nothing. But you can't compare 15lbs of fat to 15lbs of muscle.
Read this, it's very instructive.

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thank you magik, glad i could masterbate your mind.



Read my whole post, not just one line and formulate an opinion.



I'm 5'7

130 pounds


whats your excuse?

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Thanks for all of the responses guys. I appreciate the input

I don't want to come across as being some whiney AFC that wants to bang supermodels. It's not so much about getting a "10" but just a higher tier than what I typically pull.

I've tried treating the 8s and 9s the same way as I do the 5s and 6s, by being aggressive, confident, and cunning with them. But I just hit that wall of disinterest with the cuter ones. It's interesting because we really are all just flesh and blood but these prettier girls have some x-factor where they can smell that I'm not on their level. It's either that, or my physical attractiveness is capped out at the homely looking girls which is horrifying thought.

As far as my plan of action, all I can do is try to improve myself. I have a lot working against me, like my height (I've never considered 5 foot 9 particularly short, but to high value women this is short), my lack of a big social circle, the fact I live at home still, and of course my skinny frame.

But this can be countered slightly by dressing well, grooming well, and of course working on my game.

WarpedMindless I did PM you my okcupid profile so you can review my pics and give pointers. Thanks!

hey bro, I seen your pics and I gotta say, physical wise you look good enough to fuck top tier women. My suggestions:

Keep lifting while also working to get your body fat down to 10%. You dont look far away from it. Also you dont need to try and be body builder big but some muscle mass would look great on you.

Also, I only had limited pics to go on but from them it seems you need to work on your style. Right now it seems very average and lacks that "edge" that you need. Honestly, even without lifting ot getting your body fat down, if you improve your style I think that would be enough but you should still lift and get to 10% as well.

Besides all of that, it would be cool to see you make a post in the lounge breaking down your game.

If you need any more help or help with the clothes shoot me a PM. I dont mind spending time helping guys who actually take action and it seems that you are an action guy.

Cheers!

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