How much of a factor do you think a man's career is when it comes to success with women? Personally, it seems like most the women my age (25+) are all about the dudes that are in Med school, Law school, are Engineers, Upper Level Managers etc.. And if you have a job that pays 30k a year or less, they are not very interested. It makes since that the women would be chasing the men with Alpha careers but what is the PUA community's opinion on this? And please only answer if you are at least in your mid 20's. College kids stay away

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I'm in my mid twenties and currently unemployed and it's not at all a problem.

Here's the thing; you'll get generic questions if you don't steer the conversation. Think of it as a measuring tool for how well you're doing. If I'm in set and a women asks me "What do you do?" then I'm failing! Not because the question is necessarily bad, but because it's so generic that it just screams *I'm trying to keep this conversation alive by asking the most boring bland thing i can that doesn't pertain to the damn weather*

That's not where you want to be. You want to be in a effortless conversation, fluid. Just moving from one subject to the next. Listen if you're looking for anything long term then yes! You absolutely need to sort out your working life, but if you're looking to get laid it's a non-issue, and it's literally easier to get laid today than it's ever been. You can use Tinder and other dating related apps depending on your region you literally don't even need to approach anyone anymore!

Look I get like that feeling of almost terror or annoyance that can set in when you're unemployed and someone asks into your profession, but here's the thing. You don't need to be serious about it.
"what do you do?" answer? "Hopefully you"
"where do you work?" answer: "Well I'm here working on you if you didn't notice already"

Keep it light and playful, then steer the conversation away immediately so she doesn't ask about it anymore.
I became unemployed when the company i worked for shut down, so right now I either go with one of the above or say "Well my workplace closed down so I decided to take a prolonged Christmas so I could see my family and travel to Spain" (Which I did) immediately we're talking about Spain, or traveling and she is sharing her experience with traveling or talking about where she wants to go. She's completely forgotten about what I do, but in her mind it's something that at least makes traveling affordable right? Well here's the thing. Traveling is not that expensive even though it's considered kinda luxurious.

Anyway, these are just things that work for me. I hope they'll help you too.

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It comes down to how you say it. Are you bragging about it? Are you insecure about it? My friend is very successful engineer. Very smart. The problem is that he brags about it too much. Women become uninterested in him in a blink of an eye.

I wrote a decent amount about gold diggers on my site. Search for 'Gold-digger myth' and 'have something going for you'. The gist of it is women do care about money but mostly because it is a way they gauge some of your qualities such as ambition, ability, and the like. If you can demonstrate ambition, intelligence, and strong attributes, they won't care about your current income.

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I am currently working two jobs right now. I am not ashamed of that....I think women can sense that I desire something greater, and I tell them I have a plan...so I think if you are proud or if you seem happy at the time...anyone can do well.

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You're mistaking effect for cause.
Most guys in med school are smart, and hard working. Yes, a few lazy dumbasses get through, but that's a small minority.
Meanwhile, most dudes who are 30 and working at Foot Locker, have not done much with themselves.

In general(not always) the people in the best careers are also the better guys.

That said, one of the best guys I ever knew with women, was habitually unemployed. Often homeless. He was good looking and charismatic. He would just find women willing to take care of him. In fairness, I haven't seen him in years, and he was maybe 24-25 at the time. But being an unemployed pothead didn't keep him from getting pretty cute girls to not only date him, but literally pay for his food and clothing.

Now when it comes to boyfriends, women do care what their friends think. Plus, if she's dating you, the possibility of marriage is always present. Thus, all things being equal, the guy with the better career has the edge. But it's not even in the top 5 most important things. Especially once you've cleared "good enough"(which is usually quite modest).

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Depends. It matters a lot more if shes looking for a provider, less so if shes wanting just a lover.

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Pretty fun little strategy you have developed there. Maybe I live in a state where girls want to settle down sooner or something because these girls ask me about my job within the first 2 minutes of introduction.

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Maybe they just want to know more about you....is all....or they are a golddigger... lots of reasons...wouldn't want you labeling them now would we

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It seems at my age (mid 20's) most want a provider. You know how these women get with their biological time clocks

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Asking you about your job is just a normal question most people ask in polite conversation.
I'm telling you, women almost never screen out by job.
If you're failing, it's not because of your job.

There are poor guys getting laid, and rich guys who can't.

I get the sense you want to blame your job for your lack of success, and I am saying %100, that is bullshit.

Btw, I actually have a pretty good job, that I never even mention. When a girl asks me about my job, I tell her about my work conditions(great friends, go out together, cool environment, get to travel). I'd say %90 of the time, she doesn't even ask specifically what I do for a living. I could be an airline pilot, a tax auditor or in the Marine Corp.

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When it comes to just having sex? Not really. Maybe with some girls but there's not generic answer.

When it comes to relationships and harem building? Definitely. Girls don't want a bum when they can have a rockstar. They might sleep with you once or twice but when they realize that you lack ambition to be anything more than "average" they will lose interest. And if you're not capable of getting a job where you make more than 30k... You're probably not gonna have the mental capability to get a girl into a relationship where you've got a sugar momma.

If you want to fuck the girls that Derek Jeter fucks, you've gotta be a guy who's on Derek Jeter's level. And even if you never get there... Well, you'll meet some of the best girls ever on your way.

Let me put it like this: If you have a shit tier carreer, you better be good looking or in some other way fuckable. Because girls don't give a flying fuck about your carreer when all they want is a good fuck; but it will definetly weaken your position when it comes to establishing deeper relationships.

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Story time. I don't know where I heard this, but bare with me:

There was this PUA that owned a Honda Civic. He had a high level of game and used to drive girls to his place every night from night clubs.

His friend owned a Porsche and was going to travel the world for a few months so he said to the PUA that he could borrow the Porche and take girls home in that instead.

He took girls home. But realised, the girls were not putting out. They wanted to date. The numbers were solid but they played the provider game.

He went back to his Civic and back to having sex

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I live in Scandinavia. I'm not saying that girls here don't want to settle down, but if I had to categorize the girls here they'd fall into four categories.

1. Serial Monogamist. Wants a relationship and actively pursues it. dates one guy a lot at any given time, needs emotional insurances to initiate a sexual relationship. Often goes from boyfriend to boyfriend without a lot of casual dating in between. When a relationship ends she will either quickly attach herself to someone new or spend a great deal of time being emotionally attached to her ex.

2. The Casual Dater. She is having fun, going on dates and getting free meals, drinks and coffee. She enjoys dating and will date multiple guys at a time and usually has a sexual relationship with one or two guys which she supplements with casual one-night stands. This girl will date until she develops serious emotions for someone and often even date other while having these emotions until she is confident it's not just a crush, then start a relationship. If the relationship doesn't last she will return to being a casual dater.

3. The Erratic Dater. This is a fucking annoying girl to date. Whether you're banging her or dating her there's absolutely no way to win with this girl. She will at one point completely change her mind about what she wants then actively pursue that until she reverts and goes back to her initial emotional standpoint. In other words: She get's bored. Being in a relationship for six months she might decide that she feels a need to "play the field" or "just have fun" or even need "something less serious" then she'll go on to date and bang a bunch of guys and if you're a scrub at breakups you'll probably have to watch as she parades these guys out the club doors. In the other case she will bang you until she decides she wants something serious which is fine, just enjoy the ride. These women usually settle down in their thirties or forties when their value on the sexual market makes it harder for them to "have fun" or when they want to start a family. In relationships these women are prone to deception and cheating behavior.

4. The Perpetual Single-girl. This one does not want a relationship. She will date you, she might even fuck you, but the second you start talking about your fee' fee's she'll run for the fucking hill. If she is good looking she will often realize her value on the sexual market fairly quickly and more often than not her standard is quite high compared to her perceived attractiveness. She is the female natural and she will settle down when she's good and damn ready. Often with a high status man. You don't date and start relationships with these kinds of girls you have a casual, sexual relationship and then maybe at some point she'll want to get serious. This woman is great to be in a relationship with however note that they're not the sharing type, their emotions are often reserved for their female friends or guys they've friendzoned. This makes any relationship seem effortless however creating an emotional connection and getting them to share is a tooth pulling process.


Wow! This got really long. I'm sorry about that. Please bear with me a while longer though because here's my point: Where I'm from 30% are Serial Monogamists, 40% Casual daters, 20% Erratic Daters and 10% Perpetual Singe-girls. Roughly. Now you learn to identify them fairly quickly when you pay attention. The Erratic daters currently looking for sex and the Perpetual single-girls usually don't give a damn about what you do unless you're actually trying to date them. If you steer the conversation properly the casual daters will be having enough fun or be too engaged in another topic to care, and trust me you really don't want to be trying to bang serial monogamists so that's not an issue. That means that basically 30% of women (group 3+4) will only ask if conversation is slow and doesn't care that much about the answer, 40%(group 2) might be interested, but again: IF THEY'RE ASKING, It's because conversation is slow, and the remaining 30% is really a non-issue.

Also if you're wondering where other girls fall into this categorization, the typical slut (as an example) is an Erratic dater. Often what makes them turn is that a period of sexual engagements has left them feeling insecure and slutty at which points they settle with a low value guy who can stroke their emotional needs. At some point they start feeling good about themselves again and more confident at which point they realize their boyfriend is a boring fuck and go back to banging for validation. The atypical slut is often a not very good looking Perpetual single-girl who sleeps with guys because she enjoys sex and is emotionally closed off.

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