You cannot control anybody unless people are zombies and therefore, easily controlled.

http://vimeo.com/36462664

Paul McKenna link... dl to mp3

NLP is weird but, has some effective techniques like power of vocabulary. Pattern interrupt disruptive thought patterns,

Which is why NLP is not worth it. If it only works on women who are susceptible to it.

The whole "fake it til you make it argument" implies that if you're still into hypnotising, you're still "faking it". I would never recommend that anybody should "fake it". One of the main reasons why guys fail in the dating game is because they pretend to be something they're not. Girls are very good at detecting bullshit. Don't take them for fools. When it comes to social intelligence, they are sharper than most guys.

Be true to yourself, be genuine, be honest, don't put on an act.

I think the problem with people is not so much their intentions as much as it is, did it work? The majority of people lean towards security, retirement, pension plans, and their golden years. This is where society is now. Wait for the gold watch and the pat on the back rather then actually running with your dreams in life. Do not bother to break away from the shackles of slavery at a job you hate. Keep beating a dead horse and work for the man. The same ¨did it work???¨ mentality is in point with the PU batting average. Lets play it safe. We don't want our batting average to be below -500. Playing to win vs not lose. Huge difference. If you watch Sports, this burned Holland twice in the World Cup. This kills guys in the game with women being afraid not to lose, did it work, and crap. NLP could be a bunch of hocus pocus or maybe it does work. I think there are useful aspects of every system ever invented. The same for every philosophy, religion, political view, and paradigm. The same goes for PU. I am sure, if we listen to a majority of coaches or instructors, we could take away something from everyone but, we may not necessarily see value in everything. We each have different strengths and weaknesses but, in a growing society that promotes equality, it promotes gender neutrality which we are seeing is not functional for the male female dynamic. Writing off hypnosis or NLP is what most do with PU. Trying to learn a new skill is challenging so, its easier to write it off as did it work then take the approach, there could be some value here.
In all do respect, you seem to write a lot of things off without giving them a chance and these sorts of mentality likely stem from a larger problem (parenting, social circle, teachers, social conditions, etc). Something to consider that, there maybe more out there to learn, things to try, ways to grow, and add more value. Did it work mentality has a tendency of bleeding into other areas of your life (dating, business, family, other etc). Faking it or growing? I am both a student of life and a teacher. There is value in both sides of the coin. I will constantly learn and I will teach as in, share value with those I come in contact with.

Are you seriously suggesting that anybody who disagrees with NLP / hypnosis is simply a boring robotic type who just follows society's norms like a sheep who is unwilling to take risks? Nothing I have said has anything to do with pension plans or batting averages. This is one of the most irrelevant tangents I have ever read on the forum.

I used to use gimmicks and tricks. Back in the day, I was the biggest peacock in the club. Girls flocked to me because they loved my crazy style and canned routines. I was even getting laid occasionally which was huge for me at the time, as I was pretty much a virgin before that. I was like "OMG, why didn't I think of this before?". But as time wore on, I realised I couldn't back up my crazy image with a strong frame of real core confidence when put to the test. It was losing me lays, but I was too stubborn to accept it at the time. I kept thinking, "No! This shit does work! I got laid THREE times in a year doing this!". It wasn't until I stopped peacocking and started becoming truly confident with regular lays that I realised what I had been doing wrong. If you are not getting laid as regularly as you would like, it is tempting to remember that "one time" you got laid using that technique and then get stuck in a superstitious OCD cycle of always using that technique like it's some kind of lucky charm. Stop that shit, right away!
This is basically you trying to take the intellectual high ground. You're trying to imply, "NLP is just too complex for you, you're just not intelligent enough to understand it." On the contrary, I simply don't need to brainwash women to convince them to sleep with me. Sex happens naturally; it's an emotional act, not an intellectual one.

Also, the kind of guys attracted to NLP / hypnotising others are the jealous kind who enjoy having power; to manipulate and control other people. Narcissist control-freaks obsessed with Schadenfreude. This goes against the whole ethos of PUA, which is not being outcome-dependent, to be non-reactive (not controlling) when put under pressure, basically not giving a shit because we know hot women are in abundance and infinitely replaceable.

Given that a large proportion of guys into PUA are isolated weirdo nerds with zero social skills, we as a community should not be encouraging this kind of manipulative control-freak behaviour.
If NLP doesn't work, it's a waste of time. If it works as well as you claim, it's basically just date-rape without the sedative drugs. So it's a lose-lose situation.
So you're a shrink now? Lol. You argue like a woman. You're all like, "You're wrong about this, so that means you must be wrong about this, this and this too!". Unbelievable. The way your brain connects weird irrelevant points together is worrying. "Parenting, social circle, teachers." Huh? Dude, I'm 30. Just because you might've just finished school and still living with your parents, doesn't mean I'm in the same situation. And even if I hadn't been paying my own bills for the past 12 years, I have always disagreed with my social circle and parents on pretty much everything. Politics, music, art, morality, you name it.
Again, you're making the false assumption that I'm not prepared to take risks. I'm not saying it's impossible to get laid with NLP. I'm just saying you don't need it. It's an over-engineered solution to a problem which doesn't exist. It's like The Emperor's New Clothes. You are anchoring positive memories and value in the NLP system instead of dealing with the real problem here, which is your lack of core confidence. 'Throw away the black feather Dumbo, you don't need it to fly!'
Good. Learn this: Not everybody will agree with you. Deal with it. Instead of trying to psycho-analyse the personal lives and upbringing of people who disagree with you in a vain attempt to search for non-existent reasons why they're wrong, stick to using valid points of your own instead.

You'd make a good politician. Always avoiding the topic and bitching about the other guy's points.

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^^ Lol bruv! You just reminded me of Kenny Craig...

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KYVb_OYz6g[/youtube]

No proof of pulls from neither of you two chodes = does not pull. Good day gentlemen and good luck with women in 2015. Less trolling and more pulling may be a better alternative for your sex lives. Just saying.

Just reply to Hunter's post logically without throwing toys out of the pram.

I got quite a few LR's posted around on this forum (probably more than you), so there is proof, didn't use NLP, tapping, sedona or any other placebo shit. Not saying it doesn't work, but it's just yet another hole of low priority material for noobs to get lost into.

p.s. you picked the worst time to be linking us to RSDJulien vids lol - didn't watch.

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Interesting discussion.

I had an inspirational thought while reading this. How "bad" is it to use nlp? I mean it's not illegal. They can't make laws saying you can't persuade a person into thinking the same way you do. They would have to outlaw the book Dale Carnegie's How to win friends and influence people.

All politicians would be out of jobs. Hunter makes a point, but I feel that's more intention based as well. Like the choice of owning a gun or not. The intention of learning nlp would be like the choice of whether to buy the gun in the first place. Why are you getting it?

You could learn nlp for self defense purposes. Say you're in a relationship with an unstable woman. She'll still try to mold and shape you regardless of what you do to her or not.
I don't know how "ethical" this is but you can train her to be a better more acceptable person. Her social conditioning will resist you making her a better person through the normal conversational methods. Sure you can lead by example, but if her conditioning is making an effort to filter that out who knows how long that will take, or if it will ever reach her?

We all know what it's like trying to help someone who doesn't want to be helped. This gets around that. For the most part theoretically.

This is more of a question of power and patience. This seems like a real thing based off human nature. The new neuron path stuff came out after nlp if I'm not mistaken. So there's that.

Being able to rewire someones brain if they stay in your presence too long without their consent is a very frighting ability. It's not illegal, but it begs the question are we in the cocaine days of pickup? Back when you could get it at the local grocery store.

Thinking about it like that makes me want to find a source of material. What's the most powerful manuel ever written on the subject?

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I cannot be bothered with low level consciousness so, stupid responses will get no reaction from me in 2015.
NLP was a example I gave but, I could have said, education, politics, trades or anything you as a person deem as valuable. I think people read the game and took on this ridiculous idea that NLP is throwing fireballs around the room and making people get naked. This same kind of ignorance is what people in mainstream media assume PU is today. Of course, it would take low level consciousness to make ignorant assumptions rather than, actually have the balls to actually go out and do it. Approach a woman. As the journalist who accompanied J.B. found out, it is not easy, and he deemed it "creepy" only to talk to a woman about feet and socks. He looked like a weirdo in doing that. Its always funny how the mainstream media gives things a funny spin anytime something deviates even the slightest from the societal narrative of happily ever after. It is as if to say, "be scared because ____[insert worried here]!"

Great example with Dale Carnegie but, you are not thinking at a low level consciousness. You may not agree with what he says or suggests but, you are open minded and it says a lot about you. It will bleed into other areas of your life for the better because you are open to experiencing something new. You may learn something and you embrace that. I am sure you can share experiences in your life from this way of being. Good for you man. I would love to hear it. I do the same with PU. Break rapport from the same old "how are you" rubbish and actually talk. Have real genuine convo. Something I learned from Alex of RSD, keep approaching. You see the same girl, approach again but, this time its more of a warm approach rather than cold approach. You can build off the rapport you established or break rapport and begin anew. I have did some great PU through this approach.
Again, nicely said. I think the media poison drops us all the time; it could be in politics, world news, female male dynamics, relations, family, war, and a variety of ways. Social media provides cat call videos; as if to say, "what are your reactions to this?" Be outraged. Attention seeking and provoking intense reactions. Be mad and then vent. Enter into complete and utter insanity.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MjNt-lTSYI

It happens all the time and it is unconscious. Positive and negative reinforcement. I think people naturally inclined to attract women have this innate ability to read into and predict female psychology.
There is a book called "talent is overrated." It puts an end to the myth of deeming someone as just being "talented." That is a cop out as it would dismiss the hours on end dedicating to perfect a particular activity (sports, music, art, etc). You develop myelination from repeated activity and exposure or so it goes onto say. Michael Jordan is a extremely talented human being but, to deem that alone would dismiss the countless hours and years dedicated to his craft. It is an amazing read for everyone.
IMHO I feel like that is what society does with poison dropping mother fuckers like us. Promoting this social narrative of forever. YOLO rather than stoic philosophy of hard work. It is promoted to play, have fun. tomorrow is not promised to nobody. Busting your ass and choirs are not something that is heavily done by parenting in western society. Reading Schwarzenegger's book, he deems everything as being "reps, reps, reps." He ate breakfast after his workout routine (reps). He Ate after he did his morning farming. We take so much for granted in our way of life. YOLO is not productive but, this is what hip hop suggests and where do a lot of these guys end up? Many go broke.

There is a awesome Elliot Hulse video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHFYEQRnQew

He says, "first they did to you" poison drops, promote happily ever after, be a nice boy, pay for dinners, buy her free drinks, pedestal her, wait for sex, YOLO, "then you do it to yourself." Then he goes onto say, "the fuck you is really fuck me!"

"Did it work?" is the same mindset as "PUA batting average."


I am more then anything fascinated by things like attachment styles, social dynamics, dating, relations, sex, and life. I never did routines. I never cared for peacocking or manipulating. I never care to fuck up a woman's self esteem or be an asshole in order to get laid. Quite frankly, she either is into me or isn't. Then, I go talk to some more. I may like a girl or want to see her again but, I talk to more girls. I do not stop that. I probably wont till I am dead.

I am back meditating and it definitely helps clear the mind. A lot of this stuff really doesn't matter. She likes me or doesn't like me. My life is already amazing and improving constantly. If I don't share my life or time with her, there will be another woman who is interested. There will be sex with someone else. I may have better chemistry with someone new or I may still like a different girl. I am in a really great place. I wish this for everyone here.

I cannot be bothered with low level consciousness so, stupid responses will get no reaction from me in 2015.
NLP was a example I gave but, I could have said, education, politics, trades or anything you as a person deem as valuable. I think people read the game and took on this ridiculous idea that NLP is throwing fireballs around the room and making people get naked. This same kind of ignorance is what people in mainstream media assume PU is today. Of course, it would take low level consciousness to make ignorant assumptions rather than, actually have the balls to actually go out and do it. Approach a woman. As the journalist who accompanied J.B. found out, it is not easy, and he deemed it "creepy" only to talk to a woman about feet and socks. He looked like a weirdo in doing that. Its always funny how the mainstream media gives things a funny spin anytime something deviates even the slightest from the societal narrative of happily ever after. It is as if to say, "be scared because ____[insert worried here]!"

Great example with Dale Carnegie but, you are not thinking at a low level consciousness. You may not agree with what he says or suggests but, you are open minded and it says a lot about you. It will bleed into other areas of your life for the better because you are open to experiencing something new. You may learn something and you embrace that. I am sure you can share experiences in your life from this way of being. Good for you man. I would love to hear it. I do the same with PU. Break rapport from the same old "how are you" rubbish and actually talk. Have real genuine convo. Something I learned from Alex of RSD, keep approaching. You see the same girl, approach again but, this time its more of a warm approach rather than cold approach. You can build off the rapport you established or break rapport and begin anew. I have did some great PU through this approach.
Again, nicely said. I think the media poison drops us all the time; it could be in politics, world news, female male dynamics, relations, family, war, and a variety of ways. Social media provides cat call videos; as if to say, "what are your reactions to this?" Be outraged. Attention seeking and provoking intense reactions. Be mad and then vent. Enter into complete and utter insanity.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MjNt-lTSYI

It happens all the time and it is unconscious. Positive and negative reinforcement. I think people naturally inclined to attract women have this innate ability to read into and predict female psychology.
There is a book called "talent is overrated." It puts an end to the myth of deeming someone as just being "talented." That is a cop out as it would dismiss the hours on end dedicating to perfect a particular activity (sports, music, art, etc). You develop myelination from repeated activity and exposure or so it goes onto say. Michael Jordan is a extremely talented human being but, to deem that alone would dismiss the countless hours and years dedicated to his craft. It is an amazing read for everyone.
IMHO I feel like that is what society does with poison dropping mother fuckers like us. Promoting this social narrative of forever. YOLO rather than stoic philosophy of hard work. It is promoted to play, have fun. tomorrow is not promised to nobody. Busting your ass and choirs are not something that is heavily done by parenting in western society. Reading Schwarzenegger's book, he deems everything as being "reps, reps, reps." He ate breakfast after his workout routine (reps). He Ate after he did his morning farming. We take so much for granted in our way of life. YOLO is not productive but, this is what hip hop suggests and where do a lot of these guys end up? Many go broke.

There is a awesome Elliot Hulse video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHFYEQRnQew

He says, "first they did to you" poison drops, promote happily ever after, be a nice boy, pay for dinners, buy her free drinks, pedestal her, wait for sex, YOLO, "then you do it to yourself." Then he goes onto say, "the fuck you is really fuck me!"

"Did it work?" is the same mindset as "PUA batting average."


I am more then anything fascinated by things like attachment styles, social dynamics, dating, relations, sex, and life. I never did routines. I never cared for peacocking or manipulating. I never care to fuck up a woman's self esteem or be an asshole in order to get laid. Quite frankly, she either is into me or isn't. Then, I go talk to some more. I may like a girl or want to see her again but, I talk to more girls. I do not stop that. I probably wont till I am dead.

I am back meditating and it definitely helps clear the mind. A lot of this stuff really doesn't matter. She likes me or doesn't like me. My life is already amazing and improving constantly. If I don't share my life or time with her, there will be another woman who is interested. There will be sex with someone else. I may have better chemistry with someone new or I may still like a different girl. I am in a really great place. I wish this for everyone here.

So the game you say. I have a few extra accounts on lumosity.com if anyone wants to sharpen their minds.

Try and beat my Eagle eye score it's at 1800 LPI

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meetjoeblack is now so alpha, he won't even reply to me directly, instead referring to me passive/aggressively in the 3rd person.

Whatever the case, the question still remains: What kind of person is attracted to the idea of Neuro Linguistic Programming? You accuse Pebble and me of being virgin keyboard jockeys, yet you are the one who needs gimmicks to give yourself false confidence.

I'm not expecting a reply, my responses have obviously struck a nerve. It's easier for you to act aloof and pretend I'm too stupid to understand what you're saying than actually address my points directly, without going off on irrelevant tangents about politics, the media and natural talent. Sorry for causing you such butt-hurt.

I don't know much about it. Did you checkout that link? I am reading quite a bit over the holiday season.

READ.THE.POST.ABOVE,PLZ

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