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PostPosted: Sat Dec 27, 2014 10:54 pm 
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Some women are attracted to stereotypes. Hip Hop Thug, Cowboy, Euro Trash, Urban Preppy Boy, etc. I've found that to be the case. It's a cultural thing.


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 28, 2014 5:09 am 
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Well here is a live report from an hour ago: a friend of mine who happens to be very good looking and well endowed picked up an extremely hot Korean girl on the street. She immediately said "You are such a beautiful man, and only ugly guys and black guys hit on me" (no offense to black guys but this was actually what she said)

I saw her pic she was very young and very pretty. He then went to her apartment within 15 minutes and banged her and got a very intense BJ. Then she said she had to go to work (bartender) and kicked him out.

So there you go fellas. Looks matter in some cases.


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 28, 2014 5:53 am 
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Well here is a live report from an hour ago: a friend of mine who happens to be very good looking and well endowed picked up an extremely hot Korean girl on the street. She immediately said "You are such a beautiful man, and only ugly guys and black guys hit on me" (no offense to black guys but this was actually what she said)

I saw her pic she was very young and very pretty. He then went to her apartment within 15 minutes and banged her and got a very intense BJ. Then she said she had to go to work (bartender) and kicked him out.

So there you go fellas. Looks matter in some cases.
Always plays a huge role.
There are basically 4 elements to your "looks"(ranked in order of importance).

1. Body (mostly correctable[height/hair exception)
2. Her type (things like facial similarity, demeanor, style, scent) [there is little you can do to universally improve your odds with this, aside from avoiding weird shit].
3. Face (objective beauty, also mostly beyond control[not totally, skin care, hair cut, contacts,etc])
4. Style (%100 correctable)

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 28, 2014 8:43 am 
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Looks matter to an extent. It's an attribute that builds the overall person just as an attractive personality does. The better you look, the easier it is to get an initial conversation started without having to be interesting. The girl right from jump can picture herself having sex with a handsome guy, but an unattractive guy has work to do.

The thing about the friend zone is that you don't have to accept it if you are being put there. If you have no intention of being in the friend zone, you have to stay flirty, keep escalating kino, and paying attention to compliance. Science says even unattractive people become more attractive by being able to spend time with a person (I'm sure that there may be some exceptions).

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 28, 2014 9:28 am 
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1. Body (mostly correctable[height/hair exception)
2. Her type (things like facial similarity, demeanor, style, scent) [there is little you can do to universally improve your odds with this, aside from avoiding weird shit].
3. Face (objective beauty, also mostly beyond control[not totally, skin care, hair cut, contacts,etc])
4. Style (%100 correctable)
I like that conceptiually but I think the second one isn't so much about looks. In my opinion "her type" is just her memory of what type of guys she liked. And because she just didn't think about it enough or couldn't grasp the psychological and other reasons, she just makes up stupid shit, like "uh, out of my last 5 hook-ups, 3 have been blond. I think I like blondes." It's kind of like the greeks inventing gods to explain physical phenomena. I don't think that plays into seduction In any way. I think men are way more inclined to have types, while women mostly just want to be wooed.
But I do agree with the other 3. Body is probably the most important. Short guys like me have a definite disadvantage, that's not me looking for excuses (I get enough tail) just a scientific fact. There is just a percentage of girls who won't even look at you, if you are short. Being bald is another thing, that's probably gonna cost you quite a percentage of sets.
3. Face: That one, I think, is only important, if you are especially ugly. And I mean, really ugly. I think I have a decent enough face, but that's not gonna outweigh my height, and If I were bald it wouldn't outweigh that either. I don't think bad skin, a haircut or anything like that is ever gonna keep you from getting a girl, if there isn't another thing.
And I think 4 - style - also isnt that important. But as with the other points, it's mostly about not being out of the norm in a negative way. If you have a passable style, wearing a 100 dollar shirt vs. a 5 dollar shirt isn't gonna make any kind of noticable difference.

From the 3 things in the looks category I would say we end up with approximately that equation:
1. Body 70%
2. Face 25%
4. Style 5%

And overall I would say looks play into it about 30/70 vs personality/game. Mostly I think looks are just about passing the first 30 seconds to a minute. If she thinks you look "good enough" by that time, you only have your game to blame, if it doesn't work out.


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I don't know what you guys mean by "Body" being the most important. This guy who pulled the hot Korean is tall (6'1) but very skinny. He has very broad shoulders though which make him appear much bigger. Looks like Christian Bale.

But face is very good looking and Korean women are notoriously shallow as a culture. Guy has perfect skin also with even skin tone.

Here is my discovery - European and Asian women tend to care more about looks. White American women care about social status and popularity. Actually Asian American women can be very similar to white women.

It's a cultural thing - whether looks are important or not. It also depends on what we are talking about. Do looks matter for what purpose? Sex? Dating? Marriage? It all depends on your venture. If it's sex YES. Cock size tends to matter for one night stands, women prefer boyfriends with more average size because they don't want to be injured stretched out too much. But they enjoy the monster cock every now and then.

We live in a very, very cruel and unfair world. :lol: :evil:


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I don't know what you guys mean by "Body" being the most important. This guy who pulled the hot Korean is tall (6'1) but very skinny. He has very broad shoulders though which make him appear much bigger. Looks like Christian Bale.
I think you confuse the male concept of ideal male beauty(basically SPAM) with the female concept(much, leaner with softer features).
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Looks are 5% of your pick up.

Which means the other 95% is how good your game is. :)

winning the lottery is 00.1%

Thats why sometimes guys get laid just from looks.
Just like sometimes guys win the lottery.

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 28, 2014 9:47 pm 
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Most guys are not good looking. Most guys have average sized cocks.
I am fairly sure this is not how averages work.

Anyway, to answer the question... A few months ago, I went traveling and lost like 7 kgs of weight. Upon coming back home, although I still got laid thanks to the skills you beautiful people taught me (and of course, I kept other aspects like hygiene and fashion in check), it sure as hell took me a lot more of work, and I got blown out way more often than before.

Ever since I started lifting, I've been gaining roughly 1kg a month, and I think I'm already at the point where my training has broken even again. It just feels great to see girls 'miring during the day; it does wonders for your inner game. And when I am going out, as long as I behave and don't go full aspergers mode, IOIs are way more common and easy to get than before. Of course, you still need to have game to make something out of them, but looking good sure as hell makes everything much easier.

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This is the best explanation i have seen on looks matter theory(if you are interested in the whole discussion, i break it down in my site) since the no link policy let me copy and paste some of the most important part by alex novy:

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I think the problem with “looks matter” is that most guys mishear it as:

You have to be a born superhandsome chiseled male model to get laid, or otherwice accept having an ugly girlfriend you have to get by begging for months

It might be more constructive to say “You have to be her type to attract her”. Because that’s what it’s really about. It’s about dispelling the notion that you can “create attraction”.

And also what “looks matters” means is that your most fit, in shape version will be more attractive than an out-of-shape version of you… But that’s unfortunately not how guys read it.

They read it as “so you’re saying I have to be Brad Pitt to get laid at all” -> which is why they get so defensive.

I left one out, so what “looks matters really means is”, as I said:

1) You have to be her type physically, and that’s individual to every woman
2) The most fit version of you will attract a lot more women than an out-of-shape version of you (all else being equal)

***And I left out***

3) Looks matters means you generally have to be within 3 points from the girl.

- So to get a 10, its possible at most if you’re a 7, though most likely if you’re an 8 or a 9.

- Fortunately this isn’t so defeatist or bad as your physique goes into your overall looks. If you’re a 5 naturally (face, body symmetry etc), getting a great physique can make you a 7… So even a “natural 5″ can become attractive enough to date 10s.

- Though anyone who has any experience with women will tell you that LITERALLY in real life you get NO additional joy or pleasure out of banging 10s than you do 8s, or even 7s… really. A cute 7 that has a tight body, you’ll feel just as great banging her as a 10…

Like anyone with good sexual experience will confirm this to you, there’s literally zero additional benefit to banging 10s, you don’t feel better, the orgasms aren’t any better… they’re not better to cuddle with than 8s… really.

So really, there’s no reason to ever feel bad about the fact that looks matter, it doesn’t mean you’re doomed to a shitty sex life.

All that “looks matter means is

1) “Don’t be an obese slob that dresses like a bum, going around ONLY hitting on 10s and 9s, then crying about getting nowhere”

2) Don’t take it personally if you don’t attract a girl, you’re simply not her type. There’s nothing she or you can do about it, it’s just mismatching DNA… that’s it, nothing to take personally.

There are hundreds of millions of girls who are hot to other guys, but you can’t get turned on by them, because they’re just not your type. Despite there being nothing unattractive about these girls – they’re just NOT YOUR TYPE.

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Alex is spot on. I've seen his posts around various places. He has a lot of fairly unique insights, that I think hold mostly true.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 29, 2014 9:22 am 
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Every girl likes a different type of guy. Just like every guy likes a different type of girl.

I've been really lean with short hair and a clean shaved face. Now, I'm a bit over weight (muscular but still have fat on me. Don't really care. I feel good) and long hair (literally down to my shoulders) and a pretty fucking sweet beard.

I used to get told I looked like Matt Damon. Now I get told I look like Jax from Sons of Anarchy.

Needless to say.... I look totally different.

All this has changed over the last 2 years or so and I've managed to keep most of the girls in my harem from my "Matt Damon" days. I still fuck those girls.

Same girls. I'm the same dude. I just look different. That's probably the best real life example I can give you about how little looks do matter.... But just realize the things that YOU think matter... don't.

The things that matter are what make the girl feel like she's with a man. Things like a big chest, big shoulders, big arms, big hands, a strong frame, facial and body hair, your smell, your smile, your eyes, your "swagger," and most importantly... how horny you make her. Again, its not the things that GUYS IN A LOCKER ROOM TELL YOU girls think is sexy... It's what THE GIRLS YOU ARE TALKING TO THINK IS SEXY.

Ask a girl you're already fucking what she finds physically attractive about you. You will be surprised with what she says.


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