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PostPosted: Fri Dec 26, 2014 3:16 am 
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Anybody try hypnosis?

So, I have the audio hypnosis for both the 30day challenge and some by Paul McKenna. They are identical although, I think McKenna's is better. I believe you can find both if you search online. McKenna on daily motion. 30day challenge is on the site and is a downloadable mp3.

I am presenting quite a bit, meeting lots of people, and building a business over the next couple of years. The confidence to meet lots of people is monumental. I am finding it effective in PU as well. Its another skill. McKenna talks about stepping into a stronger more confident version of yourself. You create a mental movie and rewire your mind. The audio comes with the book, "I can make you confident" by Paul McKenna. You can borrow it from your local library. It is a great read.

I am not sure I can link the audio based upon the forum rules but, if you bing search it, I am sure you guys can find it. Its all free.


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I am dubious about hypnosis because the confidence induced from hypnosis is fake. Real core confidence comes from putting yourself in uncomfortable situations time and time again.

However, if the hypnosis itself is a placebo, I can see the benefits. Hypnotism is like religion. It's only as effective as the user's belief in it. Astrology/Hypnosis/Religion is all bollocks to me, but it may work for you if you are easily influenced.


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I am dubious about hypnosis because the confidence induced from hypnosis is fake. Real core confidence comes from putting yourself in uncomfortable situations time and time again.
Hypnosis is just that.
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it may work for you if you are easily influenced.
That's the same societal narrative people have of PU.


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You can't put PUA in the same category as things like astrology. You can explain game techniques (and why they work) with biology. The same cannot be said of astrology.

Hypnosis is fake. It's a gimmick, like peacocking to give yourself fake confidence to hide behind. Why use a placebo when you can have the real thing?


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You can't put PUA in the same category as things like astrology. You can explain game techniques (and why they work) with biology. The same cannot be said of astrology.
Where did astrology come from? Psychology is used in PU. Essentially, anything in life can be made relatable. The same for PU.
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Hypnosis is fake. It's a gimmick, like peacocking to give yourself fake confidence to hide behind. Why use a placebo when you can have the real thing?
Sounds a lot like the social narrative that all PU or PUA is a bunch of scared little boys because their heart was once broken. People tend to want a simple model; "get married!" Have children! "Forever!"

The same way you write off hypnosis is the same way the social narrative and feminists (particularly the ones that had JB banned from entering countries) write off PUA or PU as creepy. These same people who are bound to keep the social narrative from unravelling are just as likely to deem PUA or PU as a placebo effect the way you deemed hypnosis.


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Hypnosis isn't fake in the least. It's backed by neuroscience, not pseudoscience. The mental images are real to your subconsciousness and it creates the same neuron paths in your physical brain (aka habits) that you would get from actually doing the thing that you are inducing.

The same reason visualization works. It's just another form of mental conditioning. Things like subliminal messages, being raised by parents, watching movies, and living life in general all get imprinted on your brain the same way.

I bet you didn't realize that your brain actually thinks you really observed people being murdered in those scary movies. That's where the nightmares come from. Traumatized. :twisted: - movies don't exist in nature and we haven't evolved mechanisms to differentiate.

Be careful though, since most of it is untested, incredibly powerful, and changes your brain chemistry too quickly in synthetic ways. It fucks with your DNA and increases the chances of birth defects in your children.

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Hypnosis isn't fake in the least. It's backed by neuroscience, not pseudoscience. The mental images are real to your subconsciousness and it creates the same neuron paths in your physical brain (aka habits) that you would get from actually doing the thing that you are inducing.

The same reason visualization works. It's just another form of mental conditioning. Things like subliminal messages, being raised by parents, watching movies, and living life in general all get imprinted on your brain the same way.

I bet you didn't realize that your brain actually thinks you really observed people being murdered in those scary movies. That's where the nightmares come from. Traumatized. :twisted: - movies don't exist in nature and we haven't evolved mechanisms to differentiate.

Be careful though, since most of it is untested, incredibly powerful, and changes your brain chemistry too quickly in synthetic ways. It fucks with your DNA and increases the chances of birth defects in your children.
Nicely said. Tv, movies, marketing are all forms of hypnosis. If you want, I can link you to those resources. Its free. You may or may not like it. It may or may not be beneficial to you but, I definitely found it value
able. You could always convert it to a mp3 for your phone.


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For the sake of argument, let's pretend that hypnosis is real. Even then, your confidence is still fake. Without the hypnosis, you would be too shy to approach. Not to mention the fact that hypnosis means allowing some dude's voice completely control you. Contol your own mind, don't be a bitch. And no, it's not the same as me watching PUA videos at all. I don't lull myself into a sleep like state while listening to Julien talking in a soft mesmerising voice. I take the good bits and ignore the rest.

Paul McKenna's TV show is a joke. It's even worse than that Jon Edward guy. If you need a placebo like hypnosis to feel confident, your game is weak. There's no substitute for hard work. Stop trying to find magic pills and shortcuts.


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For the sake of argument, let's pretend that hypnosis is real. Even then, your confidence is still fake. Without the hypnosis, you would be too shy to approach. Not to mention the fact that hypnosis means allowing some dude's voice completely control you. Contol your own mind, don't be a bitch. And no, it's not the same as me watching PUA videos at all. I don't lull myself into a sleep like state while listen to Julien talking in a soft mesmerising voice. I take the good bits and ignore the rest.

Paul McKenna's TV show is a joke. It's even worse than that Jon Edward guy. If you need a placebo like hypnosis to feel confident, your game is weak. There's no substitute for hard work. Stop trying to find magic pills and shortcuts.
That's true due to the brain wave lengths that you are in while watching the video. You're mostly in the beta brainwave state (Not calling you a BETA Hunter, I'm talking about brain wavelengths) while watching those videos which gives you more of a filter than the scenario of hypnosis like you pointed out. There is some stuff that gets under your filter however, just so you know, and your behavior is slightly altered from prolonged exposure to things regardless if you want to consciously filter them out or not.

I agree hypnosis shouldn't be used as a crutch because it really is fake... It's basically self brainwashing.

Some programs take it extremely far and they mix the hypnosis with subliminal messages, and inducing gamma brainwave lengths, which alters your brain chemistry to the max. That's like selling your soul to the Devil :evil: . The risk of birth defects in your children using those methods doubles/triples.

These programs you'll find when you get into finances. The people who made these programs are multi-millionaires and have the cash to shell out for the most advanced technology in the world.

There is a guy currently attempting to create the affect you see in the Matrix where Neo was like "I know Kung Fu"

Just going out and approaching some women honestly is the safest healthiest thing for you to do.

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For the sake of argument, let's pretend that hypnosis is real. Even then, your confidence is still fake. Without the hypnosis, you would be too shy to approach. Not to mention the fact that hypnosis means allowing some dude's voice completely control you. Contol your own mind, don't be a bitch. And no, it's not the same as me watching PUA videos at all. I don't lull myself into a sleep like state while listening to Julien talking in a soft mesmerising voice. I take the good bits and ignore the rest.

Paul McKenna's TV show is a joke. It's even worse than that Jon Edward guy. If you need a placebo like hypnosis to feel confident, your game is weak. There's no substitute for hard work. Stop trying to find magic pills and shortcuts.
Fake it till you make it is something PUA as well as early NLP promoted. The same could be said of PU.


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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NA_o1jOjsQ

This is what I'm talking about. These are the physical representations for your habits and personality. Each persons looks different. It's what makes your personality for the most part.

It gets created taking an action over and over again, or you can use hypnosis I guess... Either way the habit gets formed. Fake wouldn't be the totally correct word to use because the neuron path is very "real". It just wasn't created through an authentic means. You know...actually taking action.

It's just conditioning though and has nothing to do with your intellect which stems from something else entirely.

Cool experiment. from my book work from home now.

go here - http://www.online-stopwatch.com/
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Press the down arrow and a countdown timer will appear. Set the timer for 5 minutes. Ok for the next 5 minutes I want you to clear your mind and don’t think of anything. Do you remember the Stay Puft Marshmallow Man scene from Ghostbusters? This will be similar to that. Remember you are consciously not supposed to be thinking anything during these 5 minutes. If your mind pops up thoughts regardless of your will: just observe whatever pops up like a second person is talking to you.

Do this now before you continue reading for the best effect.

What just happened was while you were trying not to think, thoughts were popping up. Then as you were observing them (without trying to actually think yourself) you most likely got swept up in the train of thought and began thinking with whatever topic was coming up in your head. A few times you might have realized you weren’t supposed to be thinking then stopped yourself and began observing the thoughts again.
What’s going on here? Well I am here to inform you that most of the time your mind and actions are out of your control. You just experience several types of awareness. When you cleared your mind and it was silent, you were fully in control. That was the real you, your conscious self.
It’s the mind that transcends the physical body. It’s the thing that separates us from animals, or robots. Then these thoughts popped up into your mind. You did not think these thoughts, it’s like they came out of nowhere, or maybe you felt like you thought those thoughts. You didn’t because you know at the beginning of the exercise your mind should have been clear for the full 5 minutes. What happened is the neuron network in your physical brain took over.
That was the second stage of awareness; you became a slave to your neuron path. It just took over your thoughts without your control. I told you to observe when this happens. You experienced more self-awareness because you were able to separate your real thoughts from the ones born from the neuron paths in your brain.
You just discovered your humanity. Even if it was brief because most likely you weren’t able to observe the thoughts for the full 5 minutes. At some point I’m sure you got swept up in them and began thinking along with whatever topic your mind was jabbering on about. This happened even though you told yourself that you would just be the observer at the beginning of this exercise.
That last part (being swept up and thinking with the thoughts that popped up in your mind) is the awareness state that most people live their entire lives in. So when you look at someone their actions are just a manifestation of whatever habits they’ve built up over their lives. Like a robot with a software program of if-then statements, but people call them habits.
In software programing in order to make the program run you use rules. One rule is called an if-then statement. Like: if a person types the t on the keyboard then display a t on the screen.
The point of that last experiment was to make you aware of the thoughts that appear in your head that are technically not your own conscious creations. The ones that just “popped up”, those are the thoughts that will attempt to prevent you from forming new habits.
Staying in the state of human awareness 24/7 is not the purpose of this book. The purpose of this book is to get you a work from home job. What I am going to do is teach you a method of controlling the content of those automatic pop up thoughts.
Off topic - I don't know how "believable" this is to the person who reads this. I'm currently training some advanced learning techniques which involve opening a gateway into my subconscious mind so that I have access to all of the knowledge I've accumulated throughout my entire life.

http://zoxpro.com/

I've also began studying lucid dreaming

You can use the lucid dreaming to practice approaches while you sleep. I've had several already. You're a God. Plus I feel like I've doubled my lifespan because I'm productively using my sleep time now.

I want to test out creating some sort of hyperbolic time chamber in my dream world, so I can spend like 50 years in one dream, but I haven't reached a point where I can induce them at will yet.

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The pop up thoughts is what's in your conditioned brain btw. Your intellect is the thing that can observe that stuff. This is the difference between humans vs computers/animals. They don't have an intellect.

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The pop up thoughts is what's in your conditioned brain btw. Your intellect is the thing that can observe that stuff. This is the difference between humans vs computers/animals. They don't have an intellect.
there is also nlp and tapping. placebo effect or actually effective?


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Honestly never studied any of that stuff. I don't know the techniques. I never liked the idea of trying to mind control women into sleeping with me using jedi mind tricks. The neural connections take a long time to form about 30 days ish. Even when you induce super learning Alpha Brain waves which is the state you go into during hypnosis.

Most people walk around in a Beta brainwave state which has a filter that should block and discard anything the person isn't exposed to over a prolonged period of time. Unless it's traumatic. It's like the forming of any new habit.

From what I know about neuro science it's possible the NLP stuff can work, but again I don't know what's in NLP, but you would have to do it hard core and consistently for a period of over 30 days to break and create new habits in someones mind.

Then theoretically you could wave your hand and send the other persons mind down the habit path you created which is triggered by the hand gesture.

Since most people's consciousnesses aren't that much higher than animals (living with and being controlled by the conditioned thoughts) they should just roll with whatever you implant.

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