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PostPosted: Wed Dec 17, 2014 7:28 am 
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Do you mean comfort from rapport-building?
Yeah that's exactly what I mean. I escalate physically through the entire interaction to get a girl used to me touching her. So now she's comfortable with me touching her, attracted to me (from my playfulness and the passive auras I have :P ), and in a place that's logistically right for sex. Kissing and escalating to sex is automatic. I rarely get LMR with this unless I fucked up the rapport.

Rapport is boring man. When I was a chump all I did was rapport build which got me girls who didn't respect me, and one (who's virginity I took) even cheated on me. Then I learned about attraction and threw rapport away entirely, then I learned it was needed so I try to build the least amount necessary for the lmr to stfu.
hmm, so do you believe if someone is able to escalate physically in the first approach (mid-game), then it will be easier and faster to go further in the next meetup? I believe so because i see it as levels being reached.

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In the first approach if you reach level 1 and 2, then in the next meetup you can reach 3+.
In the other hand, if in the first approach you reach only level 1, then next meetup you have to reach level 2+.

So what i'm saying is the more work that's put in earlier, the more is gained, Am i right?


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 17, 2014 10:54 am 
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I would suggest moving things forward sexually as quickly as she is receptive to. If she seems receptive to a kiss, kiss her. If not, don't.
And sexual progression is mostly date specific. Just because you made it to 2 on date #1, does not mean you will make it 4 on date #2. You may be stuck on #2 for a month, just because she's not interested in moving up to #3.

Provided you're trying to move from 1,2,3,4 - then you'll get there as quickly as possible. But regardless of where you get on date #1, you may end up having to drop the girl.

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I would suggest moving things forward sexually as quickly as she is receptive to. If she seems receptive to a kiss, kiss her. If not, don't.
And sexual progression is mostly date specific. Just because you made it to 2 on date #1, does not mean you will make it 4 on date #2. You may be stuck on #2 for a month, just because she's not interested in moving up to #3.

Provided you're trying to move from 1,2,3,4 - then you'll get there as quickly as possible. But regardless of where you get on date #1, you may end up having to drop the girl.
Why would i have to drop the girl?


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Why would you date a girl who hasn't fucked you after a few dates?

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It really doesn't make a difference.

You can get laid the same night without kissing the girl until you get back to your place.

Quit looking for an algorithm for everything. Stop being such a nerd.


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Why would you date a girl who hasn't fucked you after a few dates?
Just because you didn't fuck in few dates doesn't mean u can't fuck her later. She might be have high morals and decency which may take a while to break.


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TBH i don't even know (or care) what level 1, 2, 7 algorithms even are.

In my view seduction is an omelet, it's not first the bell peppers, then the cheese, then the eggs. It's a fucking omelet.

IME it's not some checklist to go down, ok now i've got the rapport, time to move to the attraction phase. The whole thing is ideally in an attraction phase.


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TBH i don't even know (or care) what level 1, 2, 7 algorithms even are.

In my view seduction is an omelet, it's not first the bell peppers, then the cheese, then the eggs. It's a fucking omelet.

IME it's not some checklist to go down, ok now i've got the rapport, time to move to the attraction phase. The whole thing is ideally in an attraction phase.
If it was an "omlmet" that would mean you can fuck the girl right there in the spot. We both know that's unlikely as it's obviously too soon. Seduction has stages, but yes it can start at any stage but at the end of the day it will move to a "next" stage, what ever it may be.


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TBH i don't even know (or care) what level 1, 2, 7 algorithms even are.

In my view seduction is an omelet, it's not first the bell peppers, then the cheese, then the eggs. It's a fucking omelet.

IME it's not some checklist to go down, ok now i've got the rapport, time to move to the attraction phase. The whole thing is ideally in an attraction phase.
If it was an "omlmet" that would mean you can fuck the girl right there in the spot. We both know that's unlikely as it's obviously too soon. Seduction has stages, but yes it can start at any stage but at the end of the day it will move to a "next" stage, what ever it may be.
You have overlooked the core of my statement by trotting out an irrelevant and implausible technicality. The point was, women are not computers. There is no rapport stage or attraction stage in an ideal seduction. It is all blended together.

By the way I like the premise of your original post but as the others said the only way to find out is to test. Kissing during the opening set could work great for guy 1 but fall flat for guy 2.


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Just because you didn't fuck in few dates doesn't mean u can't fuck her later. She might be have high morals and decency which may take a while to break.
What I'm saying is, if a girl hasn't slept with you within the first 4-5 dates, she probably won't for months, or longer. If she hasn't by then, she's either not sexually attracted to you, (and is just confused about liking you as a buddy), or, she doesn't trust you and(again) if she doesn't trust you by 4-5 dates, she won't for a long, long time.

And I understood your number system to be the old fashioned "base" system. IE 1 = kiss 2 = groping 3 = oral 4 = sex. I don't see that as "mathy". It's just an analogy. Nothing wrong with analogies.

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TBH i don't even know (or care) what level 1, 2, 7 algorithms even are.

In my view seduction is an omelet, it's not first the bell peppers, then the cheese, then the eggs. It's a fucking omelet.

IME it's not some checklist to go down, ok now i've got the rapport, time to move to the attraction phase. The whole thing is ideally in an attraction phase.
If it was an "omlmet" that would mean you can fuck the girl right there in the spot. We both know that's unlikely as it's obviously too soon. Seduction has stages, but yes it can start at any stage but at the end of the day it will move to a "next" stage, what ever it may be.
Stop reading pick up books. Start going out and actually get some experience. I've fucked girls within minutes of meeting them, Infact, one of them wound up being my girlfriend. Imagine that?

Call it "fools mate" or whatever... but ya know what dude? The girls who like you the most are the ones that you don't have to put on that whole dog and pony show of moving the girl through your little sequences. If she really likes you, you don't need any of that shit. And if she doesn't like you, get over it.


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TBH i don't even know (or care) what level 1, 2, 7 algorithms even are.

In my view seduction is an omelet, it's not first the bell peppers, then the cheese, then the eggs. It's a fucking omelet.

IME it's not some checklist to go down, ok now i've got the rapport, time to move to the attraction phase. The whole thing is ideally in an attraction phase.
If it was an "omlmet" that would mean you can fuck the girl right there in the spot. We both know that's unlikely as it's obviously too soon. Seduction has stages, but yes it can start at any stage but at the end of the day it will move to a "next" stage, what ever it may be.
You have overlooked the core of my statement by trotting out an irrelevant and implausible technicality. The point was, women are not computers. There is no rapport stage or attraction stage in an ideal seduction. It is all blended together.

By the way I like the premise of your original post but as the others said the only way to find out is to test. Kissing during the opening set could work great for guy 1 but fall flat for guy 2.
No mine made perfect sense, you're the one suggesting it there no stage when it everyone know there is, every course teaches that and it's obvious. So your the on making senseless statements. And if you can read, i said in earlier post I'm not doing pickup currently.


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OP, read what MajikalMethod said in his last post at least 5000 times.


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