I don't get your logic with your example. So when you stopped being the nice guy, you got cheated on?
Lol. Alphas don't cold approach. Talk to 99% of the naturals out there you'll learn that they seldom do a cold approach.

no when i was a "nice guy" i got cheate don which turned me into a person who doesn't believe in love and don't treat women like "queens" but average people....and i'vebeen way more successful after my gf

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I'm confused.... You said your ex who cheated on you said you were not caring.. So you weren't treating her like a queen when she cheated on you. Maybe I'm misreading what you wrote.

I dislike alpha v beta stuff because alpha and beta are just aspergersy pickup terms to put people into boxes based on pickup guys usually having a not so good look like prior to pickup. It's like pickup is always said to be not black and white, with a lot of different variables, yet for men it's two groups.. Alpha and beta? So they're are a million reasons why a girl may reject you, body language, tonality, menstruation, eye contact, the words you say, your appearance, yet we describe men like we're playing a video game. It's like the other poster saying betas don't cold approach, when truth is most of the alphas you see don't cold approach either. And that's not to call the guy out, it just always sounds strange when alpha and beta are thrown around. I mean let's be honest, is it really just alpha and beta? Many guys aren't 'alpha' yet they're not supplicating to women. Yes there are many overly nice guys who take whatever for a girl, but just because the majority of the forum may have come from that place, doesn't mean the world is so simple. I have friends who would be considered beta, yet they are in good relationships with faithful loving wives. They're beta but they don't supplicate, no more than them being cool with me isn't supplication. I'm sorry but the average guy I see with a girl, hot or not isn't bending over backwards to please her. I don't just see guys running to open doors for their girl who seeming desperate for her. I don't see a bar full of guys just fawning over girls, except the ones who are trying to have sex.

What you're most likely seeing when you see a beta guy with a girl is just a normal guy. A guy who is motivated enough to have a good job, disciplined enough to save some money, has friends and somewhat of a social life. The reason I'm saying this is because a lot of guys I met in pickup, don't get this. They're weird and forget that life is about more than being an approach machine or owning every conversation. Then they wonder how other guys get the girls they'd like to get, missing that it's because they have the other stuff handled in their lives. Sure a true beta is a pussy and turns girls off. But theres not this plague of pussy guys out there. Ops question is simple.. Why do betas get girls? Because there's more to getting girls besides being alpha ie owning the frame every time, fucking other girls to make her jealous or not doing nice things. Instead of dismissing what the average guy does to get girls by saying girls just settle, what about looking at what they DO that still gets girls interested, ie having friends, not wings, treating people well etc and incorporate that into the way you date and meet women.

im saying i was doing the exact same stuff but didn't give her AS MUCH time (still alot but damn am i suppose to talk to you at basketball practice) and i was pledging at the time so i didn't have as much time. so she found another guy to talk to in those few hours where i was at practice and i guess he put in work lol also i didn't buy her alot of stuff like i used to but i still bought her stuff lol basically i was a goood guy but she wanted even more....but the guy who took her from me was an abusive asshole

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"My understanding of women only goes as far as the pleasure. When it comes to the pain I'm like any other bloke - I don't want to know."-Alfie

Some girls like a guy who they can walk all over and take them for everything they are worth. Then they cheat on him with some asshole like me and I drop her back off at his place to get some more

If you had the power over some men that women do... wouldn't you do the exact same thing?

Plenty of people were having sex before the Pooah community ever existed.

EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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So when you did less nice things she cheated on you
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Does that somehow refute what I said? No. Naturals don't have to cold approach because they are naturally good at building circles and because of that have plenty of ponds to fish in. For people like me still learning, who started PUA as awkward loners...are friends circles are null, we have to Cold approach.

Like I said too, betas don't. And when they do it amounts to canned material like shit you see in 80's teen movies.

yeah i guess if you look at it like that

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althought i believe there are alphas and betas, i hate referring to another average man as a beta....just because you get alot of women doesn't mean you're an alpha, any guy can learn how to get a girl

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To Southern and bender, not refuting what you guys said, just trying to follow the logic. Southern, what you wrote was you did less nice things and the girl cheated, so I don't get how that links to the point of cheating on nice guys. Even if I agree with a point, if it's not connecting logic I'll question it. That's like saying you shouldn't work too hard at a job. When I stopped working hard at my job they fired me. So it's a bad thing to work hard at your job. Bender wrote that betas don't cold approach because they do warm approaches. But then said naturals do the same. Not a big deal but just questioning the logic. I can agree with a thesis but disagree with the evidence.
Beta or alpha matter less than just not being boring. You can be beta and not be boring, and you can be alpha and be boring. Sounds like your girl cheated because things got boring. If you're alpha as fuck, that's cool, but what does that really do? Are you just gonna stay home and frame control the hell out of a girl? You gotta be fun. If you talk to many of those beta guys, you learn that the do shit. They travel, try new restaurants and new activities. Pickup guys forget this. That's why a beta who has a somewhat fun lifestyle can easier hold on to a girl than the alpha who just hits the club every weekend. Dominance /alphaness is just one aspect of getting girls.

I find this full thread to be going round in circles and alot of people to be dick swinging.

'Yeah im alpha because girls cheat on beta guys with me' wow your so cool !

End of the day i would rather treat a girl nice and have her exactly where i want her but have her still working for my attention etc... Alot of guys problems and why they get cheated on is they get lazy !!!! nothing to do with being beta. If you lazy and dont keep your girl on her toes or give her attention why should she stay with you ?

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Girls cheat, primarily out of boredom. If she's bored, the odds rise by quite a lot.

The problem with most guys is that they're boring. It's much less the "nice" part and much more the "boring" part.

It's also the "easy" part. When a girl thinks she has you wrapped around her finger, it's much more likely that she splits. As long as she feels like she never totally has you, and she's emotionally stimulated, she'll probably stick around.

Thing is, "alpha" or "beta" tends to lose most women eventually. One reason the "alpha" guy seems more immune to it, is because he usually won't stick around as long. Which one is more likely to be able to keep a girl in a three year relationship? They both probably can't.

Most of this "alpha beta" stuff, missing the point. I knew men who were dominant and barely got laid, and guys who were absolute pussies, that cleaned up.

Anybody going on about how "being alpha" is how to get women is out of his mind. The two have a vague correlation at best. It's like having money or being part of a good social circle. It's a secondary component that aids you. It is NOT a fundamental component.

So many guys are looking to be the ultimate "alpha" in order to get pussy. In most cases, this leads not to becoming an "alpha male", but an "alpha faggot"(see Mehow, and RSDTyler). And even if you achieve your goal of alpha maledom, guess what? It's going to improve your odds only modestly, and you're still anchored to your looks.

Getting women is mostly about looking as good as possible, meeting a lot of chicks, dropping the disinterested ones, and moving things forward sexually with the ones who are interested. That's about %60 of the total "game" right there. With the remaining %40 being everything else. Charisma, interests, rapport building, the environment you're in, your social circle, your accent, how well you handle her friends, etc.

It's much less about "alpha" and much more about "sexual". Compare an "alpha male" who barely knows how to sexually escalate, to a guy who is a complete wuss, but knows how to and goes for sex, and the wuss is going to be kicking the alpha's ass.

"Being alpha" is at best, %10-15 of the puzzle.

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ok let me use an example. lets say i was hired for a job because i had outstanding qualifications, when working i worked way past expectations and my job took advantage of my hard work (basically expected me to work way harder than anybody else without getting any benefits or higher pay). Then one day my son got really sick so i couldn't work as hard and i had to spend time helping my son BUT still working almost as hard. Instead of understanding, my job finds a replacement for me who doesn't qualify nearly as much but gives the job the hours and times it doesn't need but wants


basically what im trying to say is if you're a nice decent guy, you'll have to work hard and and keep on working harder and harder to get/mantain girls. but if you simply stop giving a fuck and treat girls like an average person and charm them then it won't be as hard.....not saying being an asshole to them but a person who doesn't see them as some sort of queen who deserves everything without work....alot of "nice" guys seem to do that and trust me women run over them

trust me im not against "nice" guys i still consider my self one and women TRY to run over me untill i put them in their place (i hate that damn term)....i just don't see that being a nice decent guy thing as an effective way of getting girls because honestly just about every guy is nice and decent it has to be something that attracts her to you that she doesn't see in the average joe

and again that alpha beta stuff is stupid. there are such things as alpha and beta but when it comes to women they aren't that important

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In fact when it comes to alpha and beta it's more a psychological personality trait

Alpha positives- Very confident (almost arrogant) NEVER lets women dominate their lives. usually pursue life goals while successfully fulfilling social, sexual, and material desires Focus on intelligence rather than looks, most alphas are charismatic, intelligent , hard working, talented. and basically the guys who "have it all"

Alpha Negative- Show alot of similarities of alpha positive, Most of their values comes from personal happiness, whether it's sexual pursuits or spur of the moment desires. Skilled with the tongue, charisma is usually their way of getting ahead of the pack and can usually talk their way into or out of any situation. (most PUA are this)

Beta Positive- Has a great amount of potential to be an alpha male. But usually lack the willpower, drive, direction and social opportunities to do so. Usually very intelligent and experienced with rejection they over analyze every situation and are usually socially awkward. usually surrounds themselves or look up to alphas(alot of the guys who just start pick up)

Beta Negative-are basically Beta positives but with negative outlooks on life. They pursue social approval, and undeservingly categorize themselves as alpha males. Instead of attempting to be Alphas they criticize, any person who looks up to them or alphas themselves. They are prone to become very angry whenever they hear the slightest bit of criticism and rarely work on themselves due to the fact that they think they're perfect. very judgmental they find making friend and keeping relationships to be very hard


Here's where shit gets crazy (cause ofcourse not all guys are alphas and betas)

Gamma Positives- Here are your artist, musicians, philosophers. people of the arts. They don't seek to fit into society because they think they are better than society. Very alpha like as they are intelligent and often charismatic, they have no desires to fit into social norms. but pursue their own ideas

Gamma Negatives-Loves to distance themselves from society. But not because of of their views but because its the trendy thing to do. They preach about the hatred of society, while manipulating people into giving them attentions. made up of Hipsters and Goths their nly intent is to receive approval from their inner circle or group.

Delta Positives-Are Beta positives without any ambition for success. They usually validate themselves though their possessions, with many having collecting as their primary hobby. usually spends his time working menial jobs, watching tv, browsing the internet. and playing WOW.

Delta Negatives- the same as Delta Negative but lacks a value for intelligence, or creativity. rarely spends his own money, he is very lazy and will often sit around the house and do nothing. often overweight for lack of moment, these guys are seen as the worst of the worst.

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