Do you think being able to kiss the girl mid-game (in peak of the interaction) will make it easier to escalate or get F-close on later meetups?

I assume you're talking about kissing as a greeting? Will it be a deciding factor for the fclose, no. But it is definitely a tool. Firstly it can help set the frame for kino escalation. I doubt it will make her more likely to comply with your kino but it will help you get into the mind state- it can be quite difficult to initiate the first kino step.

Secondly, it's a good way of gauging initial attraction. Kissing is a common and accepted form of greeting and everyone will accept it. However it's easy to tell how receptive the person is. Imagine the difference between being kissed hello by a hot girl and your aunt that visits at Christmas. In the second instance you'll most likely want to limit the amount of time and contact. So when you kiss a girl hello, does it feel like she's pulling away slightly? You can couple it with putting a hand on her arm or hip so you can feel how much resistance she's giving. Also you can do it with the whole group so you can have a comparison of reactions.

So basically the kiss hello probably won't change anything in her mind because it's a common greeting, but it is definitely a way for you to micro calibrate and help you ease into the interaction more fluidly.

No, sorry i meant kissing her in mid-game at peak of the interaction. My theory is if you're able to do that without her pulling away in first approach, then she will be less resistant to it later and it will be easier to dwell deeper into other forms of kino. Am i wrong?

Small kinda rant. It seems like a lot of people come here for answers to EVERYTHING. If you have a theory, try it out a few times.

No one cares about your rant. Threads says "Kissing girls on the first approach", not let me hear your senseless rant.

As I said, try your theory out. If you're constantly making senseless threads like which pua has the most lays or what pua is the best or would this work or that work, either you're trolling or stuck in your head too much. If you're trolling fine, if not test your theory. All that matters is what works for YOU. Ps, you dudes who come asking the silliest questions crack me up when you play tough guy. You're obviously enough of a follower to ask something before trying it..... so stay in your lane.

Don't worry about what i'm doing bro, go do your own thing and stay out of my threads. It's creepy as fuck that you know what i post.

Lol
Getting pissy with people pointing you in the right direction is not conducive to getting help in the future. There are really less than 30 of us who post a lot here.

Neo is offering sound advice. Different things work for different people. I advice kissing a girl as fast as possible. Some guys like to wait until they have her alone, in their house. There are better and worse ways on average, but some guys do things differently and have good results.

The ideal time for you and a given situation might be 10 minutes after you meet her, 2 hours, or after you have her back at your place. In general, guys have more of an issue with moving too slow, than too fast. So I generally suggest moving faster, until you hit a point where several girls make it clear that you're pushing too far.

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I know he's your forum-boyfriend but you need to get off his nuts for once. I know what is advice and what's not. You guys in here need stop with "i have experience so fuck your question" attitude. It's funny how yal think people are going to listen to you in this matter. Maybe you have experience but you sure as hell suck at teaching. No matter how much experience you have if you come at people like this don't expect them to hop on your rant-wagon. If you don't have nothing to contribute to a post than just keep it moving, no wants to hear your out of subject pointless rant. The only out of you 2 who gave the most real answer was RockstarPUA so i know there is people in here that know how to give advice without the out of subject undermining.

I answered your question.

You just have an attitude problem.

Good luck, you're going to need it.

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This thread is hilarious. I seriously hope you're just trolling. You got 2 paragraphs of advice from V just now and you go off on him. Didn't know he was always on my nuts, we've agreed and disagreed a few times, but maybe that's just push pull right? You can't be spoon fed what to do in every aspect of dating. I'm sorry if telling you go kiss some girls early and see how it works is a bad thing, next time I'll give you more theory, we can discuss it and you can move on to the next thesis with no practice. You're right... Giving you theory is better than telling you to be a man and try it.

Good luck, if you're trolling keep on, if you're not then damn...

No you did, but was referring to your remark before you gave your advice. I'm not telling anyone to give me advice, if you want to that's your option. But if you're here to undermine my post then that's not needed. I don't have attitude problem i'm actually consider my self a nice guy and don't burn down people post over questions.

Moses,

I have to agree with Neo that when you have a theory, you should go and feild test it without asking the forum if it will work first. Granted I'm not some Neo fanboy, in fact the first time I encountered him I said fuck him publicly because I thought he was some jealous chump trying to tear someone else down to feel good about himself. That's a hot button for me because people try that shit on me all the time.

Anyway, Moses quick question do you enjoy discussing theory? I enjoy talking theory too, but then it has to be tested. I have a feeling you were asking this to see other peoples' experiances with kissing early vs kissing late am I right?

I don't like the moniker "it can work for some people". I think it's nonsense used by guys to justify themselves when they can't do something they have seen others do. I'm coming from a biased perspective though...

I don't know if this is a talent but if you do something infront of me I can mimic it almost perfectly (if it's physically possible).

I've only ever limboed 1 time in my life. A base I was stationed at held a spur of the moment contest and was giving out portable dvd players and shit fo rthe top 3 winners, and they had about 100+ Marines lined up doing a Limbo contest. I observered every single little movement the people who successfully went under the bar made and basically became an expert in limbo right on the spot. I won the contest and the DVD player.

Monkey see Monkey do.

On topic:

I initiate the kiss right before or when they get into my place if I went on a date with them. I think it depends on the situation. Recently I've decided to only focus on extractions while in the club, but I haven't extracted anyone yet this last month while field testing new skills.

The women are attracted, but they aren't logistically compliant with leaving the club to my after party. They want to give me their phone numbers, and go home and sleep. It seems just conversation isn't enough so I'm going to FIELD TEST kissing them at the venue to help spike their attraction more and see if it helps with the extraction.

I don't think kissing early with make LMR any less than holding off and kissing when the logistics are right for sex. For me the LMR comes from how much comfort the girl has. Not like her being comfortable with me kissing her, but her being comfortable with me in general.

I use kisses to spike attraction, it's possible to get a girl "too attracted" and her mind throws up red flags about the comfort which causes LMR. That's why you have girls running to the bathroom a lot, because they're trying to break that attracted frame.

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I agree with him too that theory must be tested/practice for validation. I totally understand this principle and always believed it hard. However, i didn't make this post because my plans were to later test the theory as i can't do any of that in the moment.. and won't for a long time due to current circumstances. So i mostly like to watch infield videos for entertainment and reading material in this forum to see which theories are correct and learn new things from your guys' experiences and trials.

I will admit i made a mistake by giving the impression that i'm asking for "advice" like i'm planning to go sarge or something lol. But really, my intentions were to see what your guys' theories are regarding my question.

So back to the point!

You said LMR for you comes from how much comfort the girl has. Do you mean comfort from rapport-building?
If so, i believe that and also LMR can be caused from lack of escalation skills and not knowing how to create the sexual SPAM that's require before escalation.

Yeah that's exactly what I mean. I escalate physically through the entire interaction to get a girl used to me touching her. So now she's comfortable with me touching her, attracted to me (from my playfulness and the passive auras I have ), and in a place that's logistically right for sex. Kissing and escalating to sex is automatic. I rarely get LMR with this unless I fucked up the rapport.

Rapport is boring man. When I was a chump all I did was rapport build which got me girls who didn't respect me, and one (who's virginity I took) even cheated on me. Then I learned about attraction and threw rapport away entirely, then I learned it was needed so I try to build the least amount necessary for the lmr to stfu.

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I am a hunter of human excellence. I seek out those individuals who break the norms
and demonstrate to all of us what’s really possible. I learn what those few
extraordinary individuals do that’s different from everybody else, and then emulate
them.