I did some research into the MTV thing out of curiosity. Justin says he submitted the music footage he worked with the girls on to multiple networks. So it wasn't entirely fake...LMAO.

The mtv thing wasn't used to cast actresses to star in his in-field videos, it seemed like it was mainly used just so he could get in front of a bunch of hot women. I saw the emails he sent out to the girls, and Justin didn't deny it happened at all in the members area on his website where he addressed everything.

It's like buying a camera and learning a little photography, and then posting ads or soliciting models who want pictures taken so you can game the models. Not defending his actions just saying the mtv thing is completely separate from the video I posted.

Side note, I found out Justin's real name while researching the MTV thing so thanks Versalis. I wouldn't have done that otherwise.

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extraordinary individuals do that’s different from everybody else, and then emulate
them.

Don't tie your beliefs to any dude. If you can get his "results," fake or not, that's what matters. I hate when people say X guru is awesome. Why? No response. Say X is great. His advice landed me this girl, that girl, that girl.

I can't say that yet honestly because I've not gone through the full system. I stopped at the basic level of his step by step seduction (like the first 2 hours of the 30+ hour course). He offered a framework and focus that was different from anything I've come across yet.

I sharpened and streamlined my old routines inside of his new framework, and when I get comfortable establishing the "Romantic Connection" then I will begin advancing through more of his training. I've only run my new routine 1 time and managed to N-close the girl for what that's worth. Couldn't insta-date due to logistics. I put that in my last field report. The 12/6/2014 one. I haven't even gotten to the conversation stuff he offers yet so I'm sure I have much evolving to do before I'm getting his results.

I can say that his framework is powerful, and it allowed me to pour ALL of my vast knowledge of pick up from many different Gurus and personal experiences into it. Of course I only include the shit that has worked for me in-Field.

I won't mention anything specific because I had to pay for his knowledge. I used to be the "Pirate King" when it came to Pick-up-Knowledge. Won't lie, I even tried to find Justin's stuff online for free when I saw the prices.

I succeeded, but the torrents are broken and the only one that works has like 1 seeder, and isn't the full course. I said fuck it and bought the program. I might snitch to Justin in the members blog about the few weak ass torrents that are on the net in-order to keep the knowledge to a select few in this community.

More bad advice... "When a girl does something nice for you, or makes an effort to make herself look cool...Be C&F" - David D (My original Guru)

That's terrible advice. She does something nice and you bust her balls? You'll make the girl never want to be nice to you again.

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and demonstrate to all of us what’s really possible. I learn what those few
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them.

Well yes, David D is complete shit. I'm sure JW is probably better than him. But that's a pretty low bar. Lol
Justin Wayne teams up with David Wygant.

Listening to "the basics" on the step-by-step now.

I will admit, he's advocating the same step #1 that I do: Go to a stylist.

Spam approach. Improve likability(decent concept, but NO specifics given on how to do this, just "approach more" and it magically happens, apparently). Slot out dedicated "daygame" time. Specifically says you shouldn't do it as you go about your day, because THAT is "not normal" wow.

Don't talk to walking women. Ok, good.
Acknowledges that social settings are dramatically easier. And then rather than suggest you do more of that, instead suggests you go wander around Sephora's???

At least he suggests you go to places inside, rather than in open areas like the street or mall. Bookstore > grocery, because one is specifically a leisure environment. Ok, good.

His five step process... meh. Conversation starts, transitioning, conversational topics, conversational investment, request number.

At least he says no direct for beginners.

"Don't bring up rape" - WHAT!? Does this really need to be a tip?

60-40 conversation -_-
No, you do not need to follow conversational ratios.

Qualification. For its own sake...

Then request a phone number. Because why not fill your phone up with junk numbers. Which leads to "A date, once in a blue moon", lol. Ok, so even he thinks his own advice sucks and doesn't work. He's good at managing expectations.

I will grant, he's offering better advice here, than most PUA products(but it's not very good).

This seems an awful lot like a crippled version of Sinn's old daygame 2.0 course(his 3.0 is much, much better).
I'll listen to the rest of it in a few days. I'm not overly impressed.

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Most of that stuff is for beginners.

I'm mainly about the framework, romantic connection, and the transitions. What I got out of it will be different than what someone else does. I feel like if your an advanced guy you should still be able to pour you're knowledge into his framework.

I first took the knowledge from pandora's box that I learned a while back and created 8 separate frameworks off of his.

I notice the girl in my peripheral and do a quick analysis of her appearance to determine how much sexual tension I can use. JW's transitions are great. I used to only use, "Anyway" to transition everything, but he gave me 5 new ones. I then came to a realization that I'm weak in transitions (saw a flaw in my knowledge), and that filled the hole.

I use Stealth Attraction to determine if the girl is direct or indirect based on her IOIs. When I used to only use SA to prime the women I could only go after direct/indirect yes women. When I tried to open a girl who gave me an honest "not interested" IOI they would blow out.

Now, after the not interested IOI, and they ignore me when I try to stop them, I use one of his transitional phrases and they stop. Then I open them indirectly and proceed. Right now I still don't know the conversation that turns Maybe/No girls into yes girls that he teaches, but I can stop them and get them into conversations when I couldn't before.

I felt a crises of morality when I first successfully got into a conversation with a No/Maybe girl. I felt dishonest that I was about to trick her into falling in love with me when she didn't have a ton of interest from the start, and I didn't love her. I talk about it in one of my field reports.

Anyway, I analyze them, prime them, transition if No/Maybe, open them, then transition into the qualifier where I find out what type of job she has. At this point I know which of the 8 paths to choose for this woman. Then I just use the conversation game that works best for her type. The Stealth Attraction conversational focus doesn't work on all women so I have to employ stuff from other Gurus while with certain types of women.

JW leveled up my opener from just yes girls into the Maybe/No chicks, told me what checkpoints he reaches to form the romantic connection, and gave me a stronger transition game. I'm going to work with this until I'm comfortable talking to Maybe/No girls and establishing romantic connections with them before moving on to the intermediate stuff. Then work with that before moving to the advanced. Work with that before moving to his conversation material. Work with that then watch all of those Infield examples in the Domino affect.

I feel like an AFC again when I'm talking to girls whom I know aren't very interested in me from the start. It's refreshing honestly. Id'e love to check out Sinn's stuff. Maybe at a later date when I'm more comfortable with these new girls, and I settle into this monstrous new routine.

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and demonstrate to all of us what’s really possible. I learn what those few
extraordinary individuals do that’s different from everybody else, and then emulate
them.

I do that a lot with great success. not sure what's bad about it. it's all in the way you do it.

Hey versalis, i would appriaciate if you read my whole post befor quoting me next time

I feel violated right now, lol

I'm sure somewere in the forum rules it says "Finish reading the other dudes post befor engaging in a dumb arguement that has nothing to do with what he says whatsoever"

jeez.

oh yea, this is the pua forums,

my apologies

Continue

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Yes, I read your post about how everything works for someone and therefore it's all good.
I don't agree. Most pickup products(especially the well known ones), are complete shit. Many of them will make most men worse with women.
Meanwhile, there are some that help almost everyone(like 60).

I don't believe in perpetuating ideas that hurt far more men than they help.

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Ya looks don't matter is pretty bad advice. I'm cute so idk what it's like to be ugly. But I've seen a lot of ugly dudes with really hot women. It can be done with the correct social status I guess. And looks really don't matter if your using ss. I tried ss on my buddy once and it worked on him. He claimed that it caused him to have bisexual feelings for me, and he was straight. I feel like an ass now for doing it cuz he's still into me.

Legit.
Speed Seduction will make you irresistible to men. RJ once used SS to successfully seduce the entire roster of the Portland Trail Blazers. He couldn't walk straight for a week!

Unfortunately it doesn't work for women at all.

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oook here we go with the whole looks dabate again

Methods Methods Methods

What method did guys use to get laid befor 1980s?

Befor "Whatever Seduction" products were out?

did you guys think about that?

or befor the 80s ugly guys didnt get laid?

Oh how tragic.

Dudes, check this out, how many men are genetically perfect? shizzled abs
great jawline, 6 feet tall, big cock, amazing hair??
a small percentage of men.
Are they the only ones who deserve to get laid?
are they the only ones who get girls?

If you're answer is yes, you will never get laid.

For all the dummies who couldnt understand what i just said.

Ugly guys get laid too, and yes, by hot girls.

How? Personality, Game, BEING CLEAN, Understanding women, Connecting with women, being funny
Actually UGLY guys with these qualities can get laid as much IF NOT MORE than the perfect looking man.

So looks do MATTER but they arent EVERYTHING you NEED.

So my advice to all you ugly motherfuckers out there, - go kill yourself. LOL just kiddin
Go and work on your "STYLE, YOUR GAME, HAVE A COOL LIFE and STOP COMPLAINING" then come back here and tell me you dont have a hot girlfriend that makes you happy and sucks your cock for breakfast.

My advice to all you LOOKS MATTER instigators - Middle finger in the air like i just dont care, no seriously go home twats stop harrassing the noobies minds with bullshit.

and my advice to all you good looking motha fuckasss - Watchout boyyyy me and my ugly ass wingmens are coming fo your biiiiiitch

no but seriously guys, have a sense of humor and stop complaining about nonesense

*tweak*

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Actually, if you make it sufficiently ridiculous/over the top, I've seen really good reactions to this. Only with very hot girls that are dressed up to look hot though. The time I called a girl a, "dirty trashbag" and had her following me around the club and trying to get me to dance for example. Hottest girl in the club, I approach straight up at the beginning of the evening, intentionally super beta like.

I say, looking down in a weak voice, "Hi, what's your name?"

Her expression is one of total disgust.

She tells me her name.

And then I'm like, "Oh, my name is Fuck You, That's My Name" (reference to Glengarry Glen Ross)

She SNAPS to attention.

At that point I just start calling her names, and insulting her (calling her various types of trash, garbage bag, etc), while also telling her I can do this because she's the hottest girl in the club (she was), and she knew it.

The girl -loved- it. Absolutely ate it up. I was still pretty new then, so I wasn't able to take it much further, but she tried to get me to dance with her and everything.

So I'm definitely not 100% against insults, depending on the girl and environment.

You want a hot girl? hb10?

Be a hot guy, plain and simple.

Plenty of advice out here for you guys to go from choads to bosses.

The problem with thinking a simple "technique" such as a neg can get you hotties is ridiculous

Heres why

What gets you the HB10s attention is not the fact that you "NEGGED" her

is the sub communication behind the neg

what does it demostrate when a guy negs a hot girl?

Well it shows you dont care, you dont seek her approval, your just having fun, you might be a cool guy if you dare to talk to her like that

but the problem is, a guy will learn a cool neg, go up to a girl, recite the line and wait for a reaction

thinking that the "neg" or the "line" is what gets you the girl

when in reality you need to be an overall attractive guy to be able to successfully and consistantly pull HB10s

and a neg is just like a tease or a simple part of it maybe 0.1% of what really goes on in an interaction with a hottie

Honestly i can walk up to a HB10 and create attraction without ever negging her.

But teasing is a big part of my personality and helps me build sexual tension.

Look beyond, look at the bigger picture guys.

Sure you might get lucky and pull an hb10 once

But to be consistant you must become an attractive guy overall

They'll drool for you, chase you, and ultimately FUCK YOU. Be the prize

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hahaha..lmao man
btw wat exactly is this speed seduction ??

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It's not necessarily bad advice but a lot of advice out of context...A LOT