Hey so i was wondering:

in a lot of the openers people say "try to make eye contact before you walk up to them though this is not necessary"

how is it that you guys get that initial eye contact? i mean sometimes a girl looks at me for like 0.1 seconds and by the time i smile shes back to looking at her phone or whatever.

so 99% of my approaches are girls who didnt look at me. and i try to approach from the 10 o'clock angle

also my other question is:
if youre at a bar or in the line for the movies or something, is it a good idea to approach from behind?

The eye contact before approaching thing is pointless if you are always assuming attraction. Women are mirrors and you are a man. You assume attraction and she often mirrors that comfortable flirty vibe right back to you. Whether I make eye contact with a woman or not is NEVER a prerequisite to my approaching her.

If she is in line for the movies and you have no choice but to be going up to her from behind, sort of walk a little bit ahead of her and linger next to her for a few seconds so she can feel your energy, then casually open her.

Just look people in the eye man. She either holds your gaze or doesn't. If she does, it's already on. Those will be the easiest ones. All you have to do is extend your hand and say "ey whatsup I'm ****" and she'll smile knowing why you're talking to her. That being said though, don't be stuck hoping they will all hold your gaze. Some look down instinctively because they can't handle the tension. Others are genuinely distracted. This also goes for your question at a bar or in a lineup or whatever.

Look my point is this: Discard PUA tactics, stop reading stupid threads here by keyboard jokey nonsensical know-it-all virgins and start living how you want to live. If you want a girl, God himself will not stand in your way. Your only duty is to approach. Take the first step. She can be in front, behind, talking to her mom - none of that matters.

Free yourself from mediocrity and don't let yourself get bogged down with useless mental masturbation on tactics of all things. You have a dick between your legs - you are BORN for this my friend.

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Approaching from behind is totally fine. Just make sure you don’t like creep up on her and scare her. Walk up along side her and get her attention, then make sure you ground yourself where you are standing.

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its never okay to approach from behind - it scares the shit out of people

even if they dont make eye contact, you should with a smile on your face and go in for it!

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^^^^ I agree, approaching from behind is not to be recommended. Due to the surprise element you usually get an automatic autopilot response.

Been said, but I'll reiterate. Avoid approaching from behind.

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Avoid approaching from behind unless you diffuse the situation with something like excuse me I know this sounds crazy. Then go direct.

I think even a beginner can pull this off. You can't look all sleazy and shit. The words will open the door for whatever else you know. All I can say is... works for me.

A bonus: if I accidentally let a yes woman slip behind me because I wasn't paying attention I can hook her into a conversation.

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One of my favorite ways to get a girl to keep eye contact with me is to, when I approach her,
look her straight in the eye and keep looking at her for a second - and if she deflects
the look and doesn't want to look at me, say to her, "Are you shy?"

The reality is, most women ARE shy.

If they look at their phone or something it's because they feel shy and awkward about
meeting you.

It's YOUR job to get her over that awkwardness with your words, and the best way to do this is to tell her straight.

So say "Are you shy?" when she doesn't look at you.

As for approaching them from behind - I really wouldn't recommend it.

Why?

Simply because we are all always suspicious of the things and ppl behind us. We feel unsafe when somebody is behind is, so women will too.

Get level with them shoulder to shoulder, then say something.

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One of my favourite openers from behind -in a bar or somewhere your standing still- is to tap her on the left while you walk to the right so she sees nobody when she looks to the left, when she looks right, she MIGHT ask you "did you just tap me" just respond "is this how you usually pick up men?" Or

Pua: what's your name? (Shakes hand)
Hb: ashley (shakes hand back)
Pua: well Ashley, that's a pretty lame pick up line you just used on me (with a smile)

Yes I agree with the other guy - eye contact doesn't matter. That's a stupid idea "wait until she makes eye contact" 99% of the time they won't even look at you let alone IOI. You just go in and see what happens. Of course you need to act like you are the man, and be cool. If your all nervous and shaking it's over. Women have no sympathy for nervous guys.

first regarding approaching from behind.
approach instantely! no matter what the situation is.
saying that, you should still calibrate alittle. you can just stand shoulder to shoulder with her if possible and then talk so she wouldnt feel so startled. also make sure you approach the environment the right way-so for example if people are standing in line quietly, it would be kinda stupid to approach her with a high vibe, yelling and moving around.

regarding the eye contact, dont try to force it. always look to her in the eyes when approaching but dont wait for her to look you in the eyes...just assume the interaction is going to open. if she didnt understand what you want(or didnt tell her) and she walked past you, just go back to her and explain with a smile.

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