Hello guys, Last week I had a daylong date with this girl I met through online site. We were having a lot of fun and joking all the time. However, during the day she told me that she just wants to be friends as she is going through a lot in her life (apparently her ex is in jail and calling her all the times from in there). However, towards the end of the date we had reached the stage of holding hands all the time. During the last 30 mins, she was really stressed because of some phone call from her family. So, I asked her to give me a hug and she did. She also really liked it, and said "wow it feels really good". I tried to move to a kissing position but she told me she doesn't want to kiss me, although she didn't pull away at all. However, I still stopped.

But in the last minutes during goodbye (we were holding hands and walking together all the time), I hugged her again and was again in the kissing position (very close) in which case she said again "No kissing", but again didn't pull away. So, this time I went in for a slight peck and she didn't react. Then we were still chatting for another two days nicely, but today she suddenly tell me that I shouldn't have done that and that she told me not to do it.

I feel like I probably shouldn't have done it, but in my experience, usually when a girl is initially shy but if she is not pulling away from a kiss position she is usually fine with it. What's your opinion ? It's important for me to understand this as the last thing I want to do is become the guy who disrespects women and then later gets messages like this.

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The most important 4-letter word I learnt, when it comes to dating ---- "Next" ...

Step 1 : dont be sorry
Step 2 : keep doing whatever it takes
Step 3 : respect her reality, she tells you no kiss, dont fucking peck on her you fucking jerk.
Step 4 : make her experience you and life until she gives you anime eyes, then go for the kill.

Overall, she wont admit it to you or herself but shes a fucking monkey. She wants you to have more value than the jail guy. Not because hes in jail she has mo love for him.

Your world, your rules.

Rule 1 : respect other people reality
Rule 2 : dont be sorry for being a man with desires
Rule 3 : be honest about what you want and share it

And yes, in term of micromanagement no reaction is still a keep on going sign. But but but ! She told you no kiss, duh.

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The most important 4-letter word I learnt, when it comes to dating ---- "Next" ...

Its never exactly what you do as much it is about how you do it and why you did it. Why did you go for the kiss continually? Thats the question. If you have a genuine reason for it; then you're as good as golden and it doesn't matter.

What she is doing now is cycling through her feelings and testing you by making that statement so she knows whether or not she is making a mistake? She didn't pull away because she WANTED it to happen; she just wanted to do it in a way in which it isn't her fault. That way she doesn't have to deal with guilt. Its just like when a guy makes the fact that its his fault him and a girl had sex so she doesn't feel like a slut. She just wants to feel like its her fault.

Just respond in a cool calm way like.. " No doubt. Fore head kisses only next time " - and actually stick to that until she makes advancments for your lips.

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It's too late now...I already told her sorry a bit too many times ... anyway, I am going out for a few weeks now and she's going to leave the town in between, so no loss that way...

The reason I went for the kiss was because her official stance and actual behavior wasn't matching...she was telling me to just be friends, but at the same time not minding holding my hands at all (I have seen even girls who officially want to date mind it sometimes) ... similarly, she said no for the kiss, but at the same time, didn't mind at all being in the kiss position and being very close and hugging and in fact kept saying how it felt very good ... I am asking this question more for future reference...

I see this logic, and in fact, she seemed quite happy and was looking at me till the end when the train left...also she was messaging me nicely all the time...however, only after 3-4 days she suddenly decided to tell me this stuff...

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The most important 4-letter word I learnt, when it comes to dating ---- "Next" ...

Obviously, you have too seduce her logical mind, her heart and her body. Until you reach her soul. You have to be the champion, the number fucking 1. If you just get her body, she's not yours to keep.

Now you know that she just that kind of girl that kiss is a big thing, and it's ok.

So yeah, for future reference, keep doing that body analyse to do your first kiss but one thing that works even better is just the overall story. Overall story is so seductive and also it gives them something to tell their friends like blabla happened then blabla and then we were so together and all of the sudden he kissed me O_O.

But what would she tell her friend if u just walk up to her, grab her titties and kiss her. She could never told that story to her friend. That would make her a slot for her, for her vision of you (even if its not true) and for her friends. She can't lose social status going out with you, ever, you fucking monkeys women, yes you womens! I hate you all for being such social pricks.

So just keep doing what you're doing, getting the social acquity on her till you think it feels right to go for the kiss but obviously listen to her like wtf. Some girls won't kiss first night, even the second night, and third night she goes tarzan and jane. Girls are different, they're human, unique littlesnowflake.

Overall, Try to know who you are dealing with... what's her vision of sex, is it like sex is light or sex is a big thing? Is it just a good thing that might happen, or is it the pinnacle of a great night, the ultimate pleasure? Please, have some more empathy. Also remember to Watch for the anime eyes, that's just soooo big.

Anime eyes = she is emotionnaly invested; anything from there has to be positive and she will only listen to the sub-text, so going physical there only helps her imagination go wild. You can't be more seductive than her own positive imagination btw. If u get it there, things will flow.