But the Blueprint is a guide on how to pickup women. It does cover core confidence but only because confidence makes you more attractive. RSD talk about self development, inner happiness, meditation, self amusement etc. But it's all geared towards making you a more attractive guy. You don't need money to pickup women. That statement still stands.

I'm not defending everything they do. I don't like Ozzie, Alex or Todd for example.

To generate clients. Not to help anyone. And fucked up far more. You've seen what I've seen, Hunter. Most guys get into RSD and get into Tyler's bullshit mental wanking and think reading Tolle and having awesome epiphanies is going to get them somewhere. They deliberately mess with guys so it doesn't work, so they can say "You need a bootcamp!"

From one of their internal memos: I'm sorry man, they do not help guys. Any guy who improves thanks to RSD would have done a lot better from other sources.
Much of it is. But the only reason Julien can do a lot of this, is because he's a socially calibrated person. Teaching the stuff he teaches to men who have almost no social skills is downright harmful to them. The only people who benefit from Julien's advice are already pretty advanced. His newbie advice is dangerous.
Most importantly, he's tied to RSD as a whole, and RSD as a whole is complete shit.

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If that truly is a real internal memo, then yes, I agree that is fucked up. But I've never even been to a boot camp, let alone paid for one. I think if you're already a social guy like me with little to no anxiety and you have a lot of friends and you can already talk to girls, some of the free RSD videos can be helpful. But maybe if you are a WoW nerd with no friends and no social skills, they might take advantage of your naïvety, they are a business after all.

I personally think you can learn a lot just from the free videos (from different PUAs too), there's no exploitation there if you're not paying for it and I never watch a free RSD video with the feeling that they're trying to hard sell me something, unlike other dating products where they spend most of the video building up to a "secret technique" but you later find out you need to pay $47 for the e-book to find out what it is.

Ditto. I don't think the RSD boys claim that money is unimportant. They say that money is not a pre-requisite to be successful as a PUA. Money is also not needed to be happy.

Anyhow, RSD is a business as you said. They need to survive, and this venomous attack by this feminist bunch didn't help. I love the politically incorrect language, the extreme language and example to rally up the troops personally, but I understand that someone who views it out of context might think these guys rape and pillage women for a living.

Visa revocation is a serious thing though. Imagine Julien and the rest of the RSD crew from being blocked to travel to the nicest countries around the world...Australia, UK, etc. That crosses the line for me. That's censorship of freedom of speech - regardless of whether or not you agree with Julien's language. That destroys someone's life beyond teaching PUA.

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I agree with this. When I first started posting here, I sometimes pointed guys to some of Julien's videos. I just came to realize that most guys are bad at sorting information and Julien says some crazy things for a reaction. For instance, I am almost sure his whole "head on dick" thing was done *only* because they were filming. I know he isn't nearly this extreme when he's not in performance mode.

I just see far more guys get messed up by RSD than helped by it. And I'm not a fan of Julien in the last year and a half or so. He really has been degenerating. He went from cleverly manipulative, to seemingly abusive. It's like before he said "Here's how to mess with chicks in order to get them confused and horny" and that changed to "Here's how to mess with chicks and leave them permanently damaged, ha!".

Who knows, maybe he'll take this as a lesson and actually reform in a positive way. There are still a lot of RSD fans, and I think most of them are in serious need of good guidance. I really would like to see RSD change for the better. They would be the first major PU company to do it.

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sadly the pua community has come full circle, i admit this i started in pickup in 2005 when the game came out, mystery tyler and strauss' were the guys, and was in the first 500 members of the original LSS (london seduction society) the guys then didnt care about relationship they just wanted to plough as many girls as possible, then different teachers came along with different trains of thought (direct vs indirect, natural scripted and so on), then elliot rodger had his shooting spree. to those who dont know elliot rodger was a 22 kid who was a virgin whose dad was an assistant director on the hunger games. he decidedheek to shoot people in isla vista because he had this sense to entitlement, he thought he had an entitlement to win the lottery and thought he deserved women because he had $300 armani sunglasses and a bmw, because of that pickup teachers became 'dating coaches' and it no longer is about get as much pussy as possible but its now lets help you find that one special girl. i legitimately heard one 'dating coach' say 'you wanna know how to get attention from a girl in a bar? buy a glass of champagne stand at the bar and when a girl approaches acknowledge her with the glass'
RSD became a target in a sense because they still have the mentality of get as much pussy as possible.

sadly i give it a matter of time before it dissolves, we'll go back to buying dinners and shows and presents in the hope of the girls throwing you a bone and a peck on the cheek

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at this point it was about damage control. it's tough to get your point across in a short 3-minute interview. the interviewer barely let julien make his point.

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Is that memo real? Source?

Thank you! I'm not the only one who thinks he totally bitched out. Way to have a strong reality. I like how Jeffy, who came out with a book called Get Laid or Die Trying and drove a "consensual sex" van, did not defend Julien either.

But really it just shows you, these guys are not gods. They're people just like anyone else. You can't be half a gangster.

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You said it better than me. No big deal for any other company, just don't go preaching that guys should express themselves and not give a fuck when you don't live it. To ultimateman, sorry but I don't buy that. These guys are Real social dynamics, and when they sell you a 3 grand bootcamp, they're selling you on being guys that master social situations, can hold a strong frame and who believe what they teaching. It's tough yes, but these are proclaimed masters at holding frame. I can guarantee Julien was prepped for this interview and the interviewer let him speak without interruptions for the first half. He started it off tearing up and not confident in his stance. If you believe in what you teach, this interview would have been easy. What keeps the community filled with guys trying to take your money and wannabee alphas is that we don't hold gurus accountable. A guy telling you who to be rich should be rich from other endevours. If Julien had pulled Scarlet Jo off the red carpet, no one would say oh maybe she was drunk, or maybe she's easy, or maybe she thought he was hot, it would be attributed to his "solid frame" and godlike skills. When he does a near crying interview, we don't suspect that maybe he doesn't walk the walk. This was not a difficult interview, youtube other celebs or people who had really tough interviews and see how they handled them. Julien didn't beat a woman, call someone the N-word or raped someone. He taught paying customers what the wanted to hear and he made jokes on his own twitter that he found funny. This is some simple shit. Now he looks like a guy who was defrauding people and didn't believe in what he was teaching, instead of just explaining how he's not hurting anyone and he has the right to do so. The anti Julien army is not gonna stop. Same way the anti Ray Rice people didn't stop until he couldnt work. If he had defended his right to teach what he wants and to write what he wants on his private stuff, at least people could support him. People could have supported him as the guy who has the right to teach to paying customers once he isn't hurting others.

If Julien had started the interview with "Do I not have the right to post whatever jokes I want on my twitter? Do I not have the right to teach guys who are interested in my style of dating who seek me out? If I'm going around choking girls why have no girls come forward? Why have I never been arrested for anything like that? I'm a doucebag sure, but I've never hurt anyone" ....what could the interviewer have said in response?

To V and HF discussion, I like some of RSD's stuff. Flawless Natural is probably my favorite pickup product tbh. I liked Jeffy's book and the Jeffy show. Even Tyler's insights are interesting sometimes.But as V said, they do more harm than good. The guys I've seen who benefit from RSD are usually good looking or already fairly social. They just need RSD for help escalating and being direct. But RSD pushes the whole screw society/reality/feedback thing to the extreme. If you claw 100 women and non of them respond, it's because your claw is weak...keep doing it. I've met WAY too many RSD guys with 0 success who just follow it blindly. I've met way too many RSD guys who get into fights because fuck the fact that she's with her bf. The answer for most negative feedback is you weren't aggressive/confident enough.

File is called "rsd_Confidential". One of their interns got pissed back in the day and copied a chunk of the posts in the instructors forum. The memo isn't from Tyler, it's from one of their rotating assisting instructors from a few years ago(not one of the big ones like Julien or Jeffy).
Excerpts from it were posted at various times on a lot of different forums. It's pretty old. 5-6 years or more.

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I won't doubt it's real. Money is what mattered and it makes sense with how they teach. There's probably no way to verify it though so won't comment. Good find though

I can't believe what a pussy he was in the interview, could easily have owned it. The only explanation I can think of is that he's decided to or been told to take the hit for RSD, or that he's actually shit scared that with the feminista witch hunt gathering pace there's a real risk of some girl deciding to take advantage and accuse him of rape. I mean whats the odds this guys has stuck his dick in crazy before? Pretty high I'm guessing.

That or he's not as good as he made himself out to be

I'm torn between using this as a reason to argue the positives of PUA, or simply keep my head down. Hard to say. Major stigma attached.

Its gone from nerdy magic trick stigma to rapist psychotic stigma.