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PostPosted: Wed Nov 12, 2014 11:19 pm 
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She says "undecided." Her buying temp is at 0. When she says "ok will do" she is very likely referring to that she will let you know whether she's going to be coming. It is highly likely she will not be replying further. If she somehow does reply and shows up at the venue, move things to a private location and escalate.

What I would do in this situation is to PUSH, rather than the PULLING that's been going on thus far: I would say: "change of plans, had to take your name off the list at the venue hope you don't mind."

And then go 100% freeze out on her ass.

Then NEXT week hit her up very casually with "fuck what a weekend" or something like that.

If you want to have sex with this woman, you need to change the dynamic and get her investing.

Again notice that she didn't even do what 99% of people do and ask how YOUR weekend was when you asked about hers.

At the moment she is not invested, is showing very little interest and is quite dismissive. There is no spark coming from her, she is not going nuts thinking about you or what you're up to. Quite the opposite, she's fending off your advances as though she is in a fencing match.

To change this, consider trying to get her to chase.

In any event, meet more women.


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She says "undecided." Her buying temp is at 0. When she says "ok will do" she is very likely referring to that she will let you know whether she's going to be coming. It is highly likely she will not be replying further. If she somehow does reply and shows up at the venue, move things to a private location and escalate.

What I would do in this situation is to PUSH, rather than the PULLING that's been going on thus far: I would say: "change of plans, had to take your name off the list at the venue hope you don't mind."

And then go 100% freeze out on her ass.

Then NEXT week hit her up very casually with "fuck what a weekend" or something like that.

If you want to have sex with this woman, you need to change the dynamic and get her investing.

Again notice that she didn't even do what 99% of people do and ask how YOUR weekend was when you asked about hers.

At the moment she is not invested, is showing very little interest and is quite dismissive. There is no spark coming from her, she is not going nuts thinking about you or what you're up to. Quite the opposite, she's fending off your advances as though she is in a fencing match.

To change this, consider trying to get her to chase.

In any event, meet more women.
Right on man thanks. So when you say "change of plans, had to take your name off the list at the venue hope you don't mind." Is that something you would say tomorrow the day before the party or the day it starts which is Friday? Also not sure why she's acting like a biotch, I am feeling the negative and dismissive answers back. It's funny because she went from oh I miss you, calling and sending me stupid text messages of food she would make to a jerk not wanting to link up. She must have been pretty disappointed about me not closing before on Halloween. I would of closed a while back but at the time I was in a relationship and it was just not right, but now's a good time! Anyway after this goes down and she bails I most likely won't even bother contacting if she's gonna act like that. I'll just cut her ass off.


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when you say "change of plans, had to take your name off the list at the venue hope you don't mind." Is that something you would say tomorrow the day before the party or the day it starts which is Friday?
I'd do it asap.
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Anyway after this goes down and she bails I most likely won't even bother contacting if she's gonna act like that.
I 99.99% guarantee she will keep acting like that if you don't intervene. Don't give her a chance to bail on the event, un-invite her. Change the dynamic RIGHT NOW if you want to get with this woman.

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If you decide to un-invite her and if & when she contacts you back after you do this, do everything you can to resist the urge to text back, no matter what she says, even if she says "awwwwww i was looking forward to it : (((((((((."

Freeze her out completely for the entire weekend.

Hit her up next Tuesday at the earliest.


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I like that change of plans line !

Thats a bad ass move she wont expect that atall and she'll be thinking you wont have anyone else. Even if you dont have anyone else dont take her, full freeze out ! :) Shes being a flake and wasting your time so dont invest anymore until she starts showing returns!

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She says "undecided." Her buying temp is at 0. When she says "ok will do" she is very likely referring to that she will let you know whether she's going to be coming. It is highly likely she will not be replying further. If she somehow does reply and shows up at the venue, move things to a private location and escalate.

What I would do in this situation is to PUSH, rather than the PULLING that's been going on thus far: I would say: "change of plans, had to take your name off the list at the venue hope you don't mind."

And then go 100% freeze out on her ass.

Then NEXT week hit her up very casually with "fuck what a weekend" or something like that.

If you want to have sex with this woman, you need to change the dynamic and get her investing.

Again notice that she didn't even do what 99% of people do and ask how YOUR weekend was when you asked about hers.

At the moment she is not invested, is showing very little interest and is quite dismissive. There is no spark coming from her, she is not going nuts thinking about you or what you're up to. Quite the opposite, she's fending off your advances as though she is in a fencing match.

To change this, consider trying to get her to chase.

In any event, meet more women.
Right on man thanks. So when you say "change of plans, had to take your name off the list at the venue hope you don't mind." Is that something you would say tomorrow the day before the party or the day it starts which is Friday? Also not sure why she's acting like a biotch, I am feeling the negative and dismissive answers back. It's funny because she went from oh I miss you, calling and sending me stupid text messages of food she would make to a jerk not wanting to link up. She must have been pretty disappointed about me not closing before on Halloween. I would of closed a while back but at the time I was in a relationship and it was just not right, but now's a good time! Anyway after this goes down and she bails I most likely won't even bother contacting if she's gonna act like that. I'll just cut her ass off.
Went ahead and handled that. It is a bad ass move but I felt kinda cold after texting it. My boy actually told me that was a good call to do that as well but he reworded it a bit where as I just went in and said exactly what you wrote. I think this is the best way to position myself at this point with this girl. Whether she responds back or not, it may even put an anchor on our friendship. Whatever, so called friends don't treat each other like shit. But then again, I'm beginning to believe we probably were never friends to begin with really. Just kind to each other. Thanks for the help and will keep you posted.

Last question, what if she ends up calling me between now and tomorrow asking why and whats going on. Would you just ignore the fact that she does this? I mean ignoring a text I can see possible but a phone call is a bit different. If she asked what happened I was going to say I invited someone else because you were unsure with what you were doing.


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UPDATE ON THE QUICK!

Me: Hey change of plans, had to take your name off the list at the venue. Hope you don't mind.
12:48pm

Her: I do...why? I can't go... :oops:
Today at 1:17 PM

Her: Are you upset...pls don't be
Today at 1:18 PM

Her: My bugdet is off too
Today at 1:20 PM

Her: Plus I didn't bro g appropriate clothes... :oops:
Today at 1:21 PM

Her: Bring
Today at 1:22 PM

Her: Where is the venue?
Today at 1:22 PM

Her: Feel like a wreck this week... :)
Today at 1:22 PM

Her: I need a bike... :?
Today at 1:22 PM

Her: :evil: ... lol
Today at 1:52 PM

Her: ... it might be kool to meet here in bklyn where I am and migrate on wheels to anywhere...
Today at 1:57 PM

This all just happened, not sure how to turn this around. Do you think I should just be straight up and say well you were unsure so I took you off due to a invite cap, continue ignoring her until next week or say I'll call you later tonight when I get in? This could be an opportunity for me to lay her up somewhere after the event? What's the best call, feeling a bit bad but trying to stay cool here. Keep in mind, this girl is a bit weird and inside her head often. However, that doesn't change the way you treat people.


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UPDATE ON THE QUICK!

Me: Hey change of plans, had to take your name off the list at the venue. Hope you don't mind.
12:48pm

Her: I do...why? I can't go... :oops:
Today at 1:17 PM

Her: Are you upset...pls don't be
Today at 1:18 PM

Her: My bugdet is off too
Today at 1:20 PM

Her: Plus I didn't bro g appropriate clothes... :oops:
Today at 1:21 PM

Her: Bring
Today at 1:22 PM

Her: Where is the venue?
Today at 1:22 PM

Her: Feel like a wreck this week... :)
Today at 1:22 PM

Her: I need a bike... :?
Today at 1:22 PM

Her: :evil: ... lol
Today at 1:52 PM

Her: ... it might be kool to meet here in bklyn where I am and migrate on wheels to anywhere...
Today at 1:57 PM

This all just happened, not sure how to turn this around. Do you think I should just be straight up and say well you were unsure so I took you off due to a invite cap, continue ignoring her until next week or say I'll call you later tonight when I get in? This could be an opportunity for me to lay her up somewhere after the event? What's the best call, feeling a bit bad but trying to stay cool here. Keep in mind, this girl is a bit weird and inside her head often. However, that doesn't change the way you treat people.
Re: push/pull, aint it funny what a little "push" will do :wink:

Suddenly, out of nowhere she is investing hard and is starting to go wild in her mind wondering about you.

Do NOT tell her you invited someone else because of her actions, let her wonder.

Do NOT contact her until next week, let her wonder.

I know you want to reach out, and all that, but a minute or two into it she'll get bored again UNLESS she has to stew about it all weekend. NOW: This may cause her to go cold for good but it's worth the risk because if we dropped in any time before next week she may go cold again very, very fast.

You state you want to turn it around - there's nothing to turn around, you're doing great, just stay strong and hit her up next week when she may very well be VERY down to link up as opposed to the more-than-lukewarm responses she was giving earlier this week. I noticed she is ALREADY proposing a meetup. Don't give in to this, she could very likely flake if we gave in to it this soon. (Notice also she is fully admitting she had zero intention of going to the event).

On the other hand you could attempt taking her up on the offer, pick her up after the event and take her to a private location but again I'd wait until next week because if you meet up with her on Friday she will KNOW that you weren't getting with some other girl on Friday night and it will ruin all the dramaliciuous fun going on in her mind right now. Women want what they can't have and they want a man in demand.

You want her to be FEELING EMOTIONS towards you as you presently are doing, because this is 1000000000000x better than indifference.

Also when reconnecting (next week hopefully) I would strongly avoid saying anything about the event. If she asks just say, "yeah other plans came up." Make her wonder about you. Do not tell her that you were reactive to her actions & that is why you took her name off the list or it could foil the whole thing.

Also I would very strongly suggest not telling her you took someone else to the event - let her wonder. The story she is creating in her mind is way more enticing to her emotions than anything we could tell her no matter how truly outlandish, so just keep it a mystery.

In her mind, you are going out with another girl to the event on Friday and it is beginning to drive her mind in a million directions. This is what we want.

You are in a very real way giving her exactly what she wants: a challenge, and something that gets her feeling passionately.


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UPDATE ON THE QUICK!

Me: Hey change of plans, had to take your name off the list at the venue. Hope you don't mind.
12:48pm

Her: I do...why? I can't go... :oops:
Today at 1:17 PM

Her: Are you upset...pls don't be
Today at 1:18 PM

Her: My bugdet is off too
Today at 1:20 PM

Her: Plus I didn't bro g appropriate clothes... :oops:
Today at 1:21 PM

Her: Bring
Today at 1:22 PM

Her: Where is the venue?
Today at 1:22 PM

Her: Feel like a wreck this week... :)
Today at 1:22 PM

Her: I need a bike... :?
Today at 1:22 PM

Her: :evil: ... lol
Today at 1:52 PM

Her: ... it might be kool to meet here in bklyn where I am and migrate on wheels to anywhere...
Today at 1:57 PM

This all just happened, not sure how to turn this around. Do you think I should just be straight up and say well you were unsure so I took you off due to a invite cap, continue ignoring her until next week or say I'll call you later tonight when I get in? This could be an opportunity for me to lay her up somewhere after the event? What's the best call, feeling a bit bad but trying to stay cool here. Keep in mind, this girl is a bit weird and inside her head often. However, that doesn't change the way you treat people.
Re: push/pull, aint it funny what a little "push" will do :wink:

Suddenly, out of nowhere she is investing hard and is starting to go wild in her mind wondering about you.

Do NOT tell her you invited someone else because of her actions, let her wonder.

Do NOT contact her until next week, let her wonder.

I know you want to reach out, and all that, but a minute or two into it she'll get bored again UNLESS she has to stew about it all weekend. NOW: This may cause her to go cold for good but it's worth the risk because if we dropped in any time before next week she may go cold again very, very fast.

You state you want to turn it around - there's nothing to turn around, you're doing great, just stay strong and hit her up next week when she may very well be VERY down to link up as opposed to the more-than-lukewarm responses she was giving earlier this week. I noticed she is ALREADY proposing a meetup. Don't give in to this, she could very likely flake if we gave in to it this soon. (Notice also she is fully admitting she had zero intention of going to the event).

On the other hand you could attempt taking her up on the offer, pick her up after the event and take her to a private location but again I'd wait until next week because if you meet up with her on Friday she will KNOW that you weren't getting with some other girl on Friday night and it will ruin all the dramaliciuous fun going on in her mind right now. Women want what they can't have and they want a man in demand.

You want her to be FEELING EMOTIONS towards you as you presently are doing, because this is 1000000000000x better than indifference.

Also when reconnecting (next week hopefully) I would strongly avoid saying anything about the event. If she asks just say, "yeah other plans came up." Make her wonder about you. Do not tell her that you were reactive to her actions & that is why you took her name off the list or it could foil the whole thing.

Also I would very strongly suggest not telling her you took someone else to the event - let her wonder. The story she is creating in her mind is way more enticing to her emotions than anything we could tell her no matter how truly outlandish, so just keep it a mystery.

In her mind, you are going out with another girl to the event on Friday and it is beginning to drive her mind in a million directions. This is what we want.

You are in a very real way giving her exactly what she wants: a challenge, and something that gets her feeling passionately.
Hey thanks dude, solid advice on taking on this situation. However, in respect I did text back because I didn't want to come off as a dick by not responding to all those crazy messages after I dropped the bomb. I said this several hours after work...

Hey... was in studio. (her name), you were unsure so I removed you from the list.
Today at 5:39 PM.

That's all that was said and I plan on leaving it like that. I hope this didn't screw anything up but I didn't mention bring other people nor plan to in the event we meet again. It's amazing how that worked though. She was totally responsive after I un-invited her to this event. That's crazy... It's almost kinda scary to think about. I feel like I can almost read her mind at this point. The flood of messages after that was just insane, she must have been going crazy.


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I was concerned this would happen.
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The flood of messages after that was just insane, she must have been going crazy.
And....now she's calm again. Her interest level is back to where it was.

As I stated yesterday,
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If you decide to un-invite her and if & when she contacts you back after you do this, do everything you can to resist the urge to text back, no matter what she says
She doesn't want facts and figures. She wanted to go on an emotional journey.
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I feel like I can almost read her mind
Crazy shit huh? I know how you feel, I felt like I could read her mind on what she was going to do before she did it.


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I did text back
I was concerned this would happen.
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The flood of messages after that was just insane, she must have been going crazy.
And....now she's calm again. Her interest level is back to where it was.

As I stated yesterday,
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Key point:
If you decide to un-invite her and if & when she contacts you back after you do this, do everything you can to resist the urge to text back, no matter what she says
She doesn't want facts and figures. She wanted to go on an emotional journey.
Hmm, I guess I'll just have to let it blow over... I think I'm still in the control frame and at a strong position here and the jealousy trait will still remain in her head if any. She's probably pissed off as hell at me though. Quite frankly, I don't give a shit. She'll want to hangout again, I'm going no contact from here on. If she doesn't get back for next week I'll hit her up if something is going on. If not whatever.


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IMO you have a good plan moving fwd., alot of guys probably wouldn't have had the balls to un-invite her like you did, they'd rather cling tightly to any shred of anything. If she does happen to send a text I'd give it about 24 hours before replying to it if it were me. Have a good time at the event :)


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IMO you have a good plan moving fwd., alot of guys probably wouldn't have had the balls to un-invite her like you did, they'd rather cling tightly to any shred of anything. If she does happen to send a text I'd give it about 24 hours before replying to it if it were me. Have a good time at the event :)

Short Update

She texted my back this morning after my last response yesterday evening. It's about 9 a.m. here, this tells me she's obviously been thinking about it. Especially this morning. Here's what she said...

My last text yesterday:
Hey... was in studio. (her name), you were unsure so I removed you from the list.
Today at 5:39 PM.

This morning's text:
Her: It's ok... Enjoy yourself... what's name of event?
Today at 8:48 AM

Her: Wanna see what I'm missing
Today at 10:03 AM


So from this point on, I'll go cold until mid next week and reach out with a totally different perspective lol? She's kind of annoying me a little with these text as well. You don't suggest meeting afterward to hook up you said? How do I respond to these if at all? She's the type of person that might even call me later and leave a message. Also any openers you can offer on how to start the convo for next week. I obviously don't want to answer her question here so what would you recommend? Also, this is kinda fun hahaha.


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So from this point on, I'll go cold until mid next week and reach out with a totally different perspective lol? She's kind of annoying me a little with these text as well. You don't suggest meeting afterward to hook up you said? How do I respond to these if at all? She's the type of person that might even call me later and leave a message. Also any openers you can offer on how to start the convo for next week. I obviously don't want to answer her question here so what would you recommend? Also, this is kinda fun hahaha.
Great instincts to want to hold off replying.

Just because someone texts does not mean we need to reply. Remember, she was not replying to your texts earlier in the week. Give her back some of this. You are getting her to chase, and it's good to maintain this frame. Sad to say she didn't give two shits about the event or what it was until you un-invited her.

If she calls let it go to voicemail. YOU WANT HER TO THINK AND DREAM AND IMAGINE THAT YOU ARE SPENDING A NIGHT OUT ON THE TOWN AND THEN CHILLING LATER ALONE WITH SOME HOTTIE. Any contact between now (phone/text/whatever) and next week and it could foil her dream.

She wants to believe this so bad that her mind is still working on this scenario. Don't let her down.

I would not meet up with her tonight b/c a) she has proven herself to flake out so she may not even be available and b) like we talked about she would then KNOW you weren't with another girl tonight. You have to have the mindframe of abundance and realize she will still be there next week - get her juices amped up higher by going COMPLETE NO CONTACT until next week.

Let her imagine all night you being with another woman (this is what she wants clearly - she was all 'whatever' just 48 hours ago, now she is still interested and investing).
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Just anything light with a different perspective. Upbeat. Act like a disinterested hot chick. Do not reference the event. If she asks about it, do not reply factually, be very vauge and move on to the next topic SO SHE CAN KEEP THE FANTASY GOING OF YOU SEXING ANOTHER GIRL. She will probably fight to replace this girl she has built up in her mind. And she may give you an "opener" you can work with next week anyway so long as she remains frozen out until then.

From there, get her out for a drink as she said she is avail. mon-thurs. and then escalate in a private location.


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So from this point on, I'll go cold until mid next week and reach out with a totally different perspective lol? She's kind of annoying me a little with these text as well. You don't suggest meeting afterward to hook up you said? How do I respond to these if at all? She's the type of person that might even call me later and leave a message. Also any openers you can offer on how to start the convo for next week. I obviously don't want to answer her question here so what would you recommend? Also, this is kinda fun hahaha.
Great instincts to want to hold off replying.

Just because someone texts does not mean we need to reply. Remember, she was not replying to your texts earlier in the week. Give her back some of this. You are getting her to chase, and it's good to maintain this frame. Sad to say she didn't give two shits about the event or what it was until you un-invited her.

If she calls let it go to voicemail. YOU WANT HER TO THINK AND DREAM AND IMAGINE THAT YOU ARE SPENDING A NIGHT OUT ON THE TOWN AND THEN CHILLING LATER ALONE WITH SOME HOTTIE. Any contact between now (phone/text/whatever) and next week and it could foil her dream.

She wants to believe this so bad that her mind is still working on this scenario. Don't let her down.

I would not meet up with her tonight b/c a) she has proven herself to flake out so she may not even be available and b) like we talked about she would then KNOW you weren't with another girl tonight. You have to have the mindframe of abundance and realize she will still be there next week - get her juices amped up higher by going COMPLETE NO CONTACT until next week.

Let her imagine all night you being with another woman (this is what she wants clearly - she was all 'whatever' just 48 hours ago, now she is still interested and investing).
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Just anything light with a different perspective. Upbeat. Act like a disinterested hot chick. Do not reference the event. If she asks about it, do not reply factually, be very vauge and move on to the next topic SO SHE CAN KEEP THE FANTASY GOING OF YOU SEXING ANOTHER GIRL. She will probably fight to replace this girl she has built up in her mind. And she may give you an "opener" you can work with next week anyway so long as she remains frozen out until then.

From there, get her out for a drink as she said she is avail. mon-thurs. and then escalate in a private location.
Dude, I blew it I think. sighhhhhhhh...

Yesterday Morning Text


Her: It's ok... Enjoy yourself... what's name of event?
Today at 8:48 AM

Her: Wanna see what i'm missing?
Today at 9:03 AM

Me: Spots in BK, wrapped after 9ish. Moving to another side of town. You should come through
Today at 11:45 AM

Idk why I did this but gave in. I decided whatever as it was convenient to potentially hookup afterwards and gave it a go. Hope I didn't kill it, she didn't respond back. Anyway, I'm off for the weekend till Monday. I'll see whats up mid week still or should I just wait for her to get back to me at this point if at all?

For the record, had a kick ass time last night and she missed out... Kinda glad she wasn't there because there would of been some tension as I was speaking to other women.


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Bro, She's a flake sorry to say this but shes just your stereotypical flakey chick.

Ocean has gave great advice - Its simple push/pull when you uninvited her you had her emotionally invested !

Thats what you have to do again ! Shes comfortable and friendzone is comfortable but when she doesnt get what she wants AKA uninvited she freaks out sending 4-5 messages ! All you got to do is push/pull build her up and knock her down :) !

I had a date on saturday all day i spent with this check and we got pretty wasted but i was in a bar and every girl in the place was watching me with this 9 so i sat and watched some boxing while this 9 craved for my attention. I gave her it but not like every other guy did. Woman when emotionally invested are simple to work. She even said to me 'I'm so glad im here with you so no one can steal you' Dont know what the means but seriously dude listen to what Ocean is saying.

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