It's pretty easy actually to make a stack. It's like script writing. Pick a good opener and think about what flows naturally from that. In most conversations, you can expect certain responses. For eg, when I did day game (direct), I knew at some point it's gonna come up in conversation what we're both up to today. So I used a routine for that. I'd ask her "what are you up to today" and then she'd answer and ask what about you. Now, if I was being natural, I'd say the truth, maybe in a funny way, like "shopping for X, or just at the mall or whatever." But I'd use a routine like "I'm actually about to meet some friends...we're getting together to plan a party for our friend Rachel and can't decide...what do you think...jungle theme or 80's theme?" She'd answer, I could tease the response and move on. Then later I could call back to how her suggestion was the best over text or something. See, I can convey more than in a regular answer and it doesn't have to be a long thing. My view on routines is that I use them not for me be interesting but to give the girl a chance to open up and be interesting in responding. I've found that you don't need a full 10 hours word for word of stuff, but if you start strong, things are easier. So maybe the first couple to 5 mins may be word for word, but it's strong and hits hard.

This is why i don't get the routines make you stuck in your head thing. If you've ever told a joke you know well to someone, you're not straining to remember the words, you're relaxed knowing the punch line will hit and you're playing with the delivery.I will admit, routine guys get stuck entertaining, but that's because they dont use them to escalate.

THANKS!

I didn't even like doing those routines on vid, but had to for some training material.

Ultimately we are like actors or comedians

Guys can have the same scripts/jokes, but Chris Rock and Patrick Stewart can deliver them better than most.

Routines are used to teach you things, if you need them. If you don't then don't use them!
(just like training wheels)

I NEVER used other peoples routines when I started out, but did use some of my own, to fine tune and understand finer points, that I wouldnt have been able to before.

-and in reference to this thread, I will post what I posted on Mystery's FB page in response to this video

https://www.facebook.com/torontomystery ... 1833566969

"Common tactic when one is trying to shit on another, misrepresent their ideas of beliefs so you can discredit them."

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Yeah, I get that's how it is described. I just observe guys who's #1 problem is being up in their head, and routines usually seem to keep them there. I know Neo feels they're useful for freeing you mentally, it's almost autopilot, so you can focus on the moment... I just wonder how many guys get that and use them that way. At the very least, I feel there is something flawed in how the use and focus of routines is commonly taught. New people seem to hone in on "Do X, now Y! Now Z!" and it seems to trip them up a lot.
Providing opportunities for her to get involved is a good idea. It's also something I don't usually see mentioned in what I've read about routines. Most of the common literature seems to focus on entertainment, DHVs, etc. I just get the sense that what you do is not what is in the mainstream advice. I've never seen this take on them. If the routine based PUAs I've seen were doing things like what you describe, I wouldn't be critical of them.

Are there some guys/blogs, etc that direct guys to use them the way you do? I'm usually inclined to tell routine based guys who are struggling to drop the routines, but if they could just reform their routines in a smarter direction, that may work better for them.

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the conscious mind can handle 5 variables (+/- 2) so guys who dont have conversation skills into the subconscious mind, need them (autopilot)

what you wonder about= is really just the same thing for most people who never GET it

Whether it is music, martial arts, or Pick Up

They "learn it" (well most who start out dont), they may even "absorb it", but the never "forget it"

They never level up past just doing what they were taught to do, and start self expressing.

Whether they are quitters or just dont have it in them...who knows. Thats just the way it goes.

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Shouting something doesn't make it true. Style is a sensationalist writer whose popularity as a guru only exists because he exposed the underground PUA to the masses. Being a writer, there is a trashy tabloid element to his writing and much of what he wrote in The Game is embellished at best and purely made up at worst.

However, he did bring together different schools of thought in terms of pickup, which opened up an incredible debate and allowed others to come up with far better techniques. That said, if you were to purely follow the techniques Style came up with himself (not the stuff in his book which other guys came up with), you wouldn't get very far with women. Saying 'he was voted the best means he is the best' is like saying someone like Justin Bieber is the best singer because he has the most fans. Perhaps he is the most well-known PUA guru to a passive guy with only a fleeting interest in pickup, but that doesn't mean he was ever the best.

Routines are lame. It confuses girls and doesn't state sexual intent. You will fail using routines if you cannot transition into a natural conversation after you run out of the rehearsed words from your script. If you succeed with a routine, you are succeeding in spite of it, not because of it. Your brain's dopamine reward system lies to you, telling you that those few occasions you got laid, it was the routine which made her want to have sex with you.

Canned openers are ok if you can't think of a natural one, but these crazy long-winded routines like The Cube should be left firmly in 2004 if you actually want PUA to help you get laid. The way I see routines / peacocking etc. is they only worked occasionally at the time because the guys they were competing with royally sucked. If everybody in your small town sucks at pickup, routines might work now and again simply because it shows you suck slightly less than the chode guys with zero game. But if you are competing with well-dressed well-groomed guys with solid natural game, you will fail, badly.

Thank you Hunter. Comparing PUA's with Natural game to PUA's with canned stuff, there simply is no comparison. I think that canned material is great for newbies, but it should be used like a crutch. It will help you come over AA and build confidence, but you have to weed yourself off of it. I was massively unsucessful using canned material. When I learned Stealth and RSD, my sucess increased.

The most recent epiphany that I had was that I was learning all of this night game stuff when I day game way more. I also don't like parties so I'm switching to daygame.

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